Hi, Summary: On Fedora LiveOS, e.g. Fedora-Workstation-Live-x86_64-Rawhide-20190728.n.1.iso, the journal is missing the first 20-30s of all boot/startup related messages. The reason is a bit complicated, systemd-journald appears to have a bug wanting keep_free space too high, and Fedora's lives have had shrinking free space consistently over time as the "payload" gets bigger. The result is now systemd-journald almost immediately vacuums the first journal file during startup of the Live image, deleting it and causing the loss of early boot and startup messages. I proposed this as a blocker bug. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1715699 It's been rejected twice, mainly because the Fedora Basic Release Criterion for system logging applies to the post-installed system. It doesn't apply to any of the installer images. There is a proposal over on test@ list to change the location of this requirement so that it applies to installer images also. I figured some developers might care, in particular if they have early startup services: dracut, networking, device discovery, udev. No one disputes it's a nasty bug and should be fixed. The question is whether missing early boot messages is bad enough bug to block the release until it gets fixed. https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/test@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/QAV3I2W6337ZW7CSYJYAU2SY3GL4KI6F/ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Basic_Release_Criteria#System_logging As an example of how pernicious it is, this bug actually started with Fedora 30, but wasn't triggered out of the box with default boot options. But if you needed more debugging in the logs, rd.debug or rd.udev.debug or systemd.log_level=debug, or most any system service set to debug mode, would cause the journal file to become bigger faster, triggering the bug, and causing all of that early startup messages in the log to be deleted. So, that bug is now permanently baked into Fedora 30 media, and there's no way to do any serious early boot debugging - that data is simply gone. -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
