On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 5:36 PM Alexander Scheel <ascheel@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Question (not for Fabio specifically, but for the list) modules can have > > (Build)Requires on other modules > > right? > > Yes, if the module maintainer is willing to expose their module in the > BUILDROOT. That was PKI's problem: mizdebsk orphaned the ursine packages, > exposed them in a module available only at runtime, and refused to open > it up for build-time use. He wanted us to maintain our own versions of > all of the packages we use that he modularized. I don't think "refused" is a fair characterization. My understanding of the problem is that creating a module is new (and change is hard), and unnecessary for most basic packages, so long as their BRs are available. Maintaining many of the java BRs across multiple releases was becoming burdensome, so mizdebsk decided to take advantage of modules to reduce their work load. The ideal at that point was to expose modules to the ursine BUILDROOT, in order for ursine packagers to have BRs on them without having to themselves be shipped in a module. Without that, lots of ursine packages were going to suffer, and that's what happened. Fedora is now extremely hostile to Java packagers, unless 1) the java packager is willing to take on dozens or hundreds of packages, or 2) the java packager is willing to learn how to do all this module stuff. I don't think it's fair to say that mizdebsk "refused" to open them up to build-time use... but perhaps fair to say that they refused to open them up to build-time use, when that didn't solve the underlying problem (because they would still only be available to modular packages, and not to ursine ones, which is what was needed). At least, that's my understanding of the situation. FWIW, I'm probably going to orphan the last of my Java packages, too, because I don't have time to figure out how to create a bunch of modules just so I can get the BRs I need. My time would be better spent building ursine packages in COPR, outside of Fedora's modularity efforts. I've been watching keenly, to see if the situation will change, and Fedora will become Java-friendly again, but I don't see that happening, sadly. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/ List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
