On Mon, Apr 15, 2019 at 9:06 PM Stephen John Smoogen <smooge@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 13:22, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:On 3/19/19 11:01 AM, Stelian Iancu wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 7:35 AM Emmanuel Seyman <emmanuel@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> * Sérgio Basto [19/03/2019 00:03] :
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>>> I though it was just one person which decide orphan his 259 packages
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>> Mikolaj is the last actif member of the Java SIG.
And who is guilty for this?
Looking for guilty person/people is always the wrong thing to do! And it's never people that do work - no matter how less it is!
One of the reasons that there was a Java SIG long ago was that Java packaging was an ugly sewage pile of software. Java had its own way of doing things which didn't match how Fedora wanted things packaged.. and it took a LOT of work to unbundle, unhook, and clean up. Over time, the number of people who a) want to work on that and b) get the constant 'oooh yuck its java.. why would anyone work on that?' took its toll and people left.
I would dare to say that a number of us (Java SIG creators) moved to work upstream to get to the state where Java projects are no longer these impossible to build not even dare to package properly things . Additionally Flatpak seems way better for any GUI app compared to creating RPMs which additionally reduces the work spent on RPM side. No mattter whether people like or not but containerization eats the RPM workforce - both for server and workstation.
_______________________________________________The same thing is happening in most other SIG's.. it is thankless work especially when people are always good about telling how it should have been done instead. The number of people active in them gets smaller over time with everyone else thinking 'oh I don't need to worry about it there is a SIG to take care of this.. when it turns out that it really is just 1 person still showing up.'> I think the bigger question here is what is going to happen with the Java SIG?
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> In general, what is the situation of Java in Fedora?
I regret having to say this, but I think it's inevitable: Due to the
Java-"modularization" activities, Java in Fedora is going to be a matter
of the past, soon.
Modularization is more like the dust particle hitting hyper saturated solution. You are getting large amounts of participate falling out.. but the 'problem' was there before just hidden in plain site. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2nJybaKOP0Ralf
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