On 02 Mar 2005 13:39:25 -0300, Alexandre Oliva <aoliva@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Odds are it doesn't need them, since it's not connected. oh please... there are all sorts of updates that have come out that have had a direct impact on end-user facing elements to fix some annoying issues. Its not ALL about security fixes. There have been 'needed' functionality fixes. Even non-networked people who do updates of fc3 are going to notice a marked difference in some aspects of non-networked elements.. because of bug fixes. One man's unneeded update is another man's critical feature bugfix. This whole line of argument that you are trying to make is errenous in the context of the original discussion about effective 3d testing. How can you do effective do 3d testing/troubleshooting if you can't eat the updates that are spun up to confirm the problem has been fixed on your hardware? Confirming the fix is sort of important.. and if you can't get the updates.. how do you confirm the fix? The issue of trying to cram everything into the release isos is a completely red herring issue. If you want to work on the more important issue of how to build reliable mechanisms on how to get updates into the hands of system admins in network-poor environments that would be far more valuable in the long run. -jef