One of the admins here pointed out to me that /etc/security/access.conf isn't actually referenced by the default PAM config at all. I checked in bugzilla, and found bug #13245, and bug #19839, both of which are basically resolved as "yep, that's not referenced by the default config at all". *Should* this file be included in system-auth (or at least login's and sshd's pam conf), or is it just "yet another access control mechanism and we've already got a dozen of those and that would just further confuse people"? I think that if not, the comment in the file should be changed to mention that it's not used in the default Fedora/RH config. Anyone have any opinion on this? -- Matthew Miller mattdm@xxxxxxxxxx <http://www.mattdm.org/> Boston University Linux ------> <http://linux.bu.edu/>