>I think Alan was meaning more from a political standpoint. I suspect >that Red Hat staff have more justification for fixing things in Core >than Extras. I don't think I understand how this is political. We're talking about a single command post-install. He was talking about debugging, I don't think it's CRAZY that a developer have to run a single command in order to debug something. bzflag and tuxracer were not in the normal install in core, iirc. So why is it harder to install them now than before? is it b/c they're in a separate repo? But that repo will be on by default for fc4, so how is that harder for the end user or developer? -sv