On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 6:59 AM Nicolas Mailhot <nicolas.mailhot@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Le jeudi 31 janvier 2019 à 19:52 -0500, Neal Gompa a écrit : > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 6:58 PM Stephen John Smoogen <smooge@xxxxxxxxx > > > wrote: > > > On Thu, 31 Jan 2019 at 07:28, Igor Gnatenko < > > > ignatenkobrain@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > Problem №1: Build-only packages > > > > > > > > Rawhide gating makes this much more complicated because builds > > > > appear in buildroot slower, updating group of packages would need > > > > side tags and it’s just painful to work with. > > > > > > > > https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2068 > > > > > > > > And, after all, those packages shouldn’t be shipped to users. > > > > > > My main problem with this is the above. Yes Joe Desktop User isn't > > > going to see/need that package.. but we have a LOT of packagers who > > > take our stuff and rebuild it for themselves for various reasons. I > > > find it hard to put together the proposal which is supposed to make > > > developing/packaging easier with making developing/packaging harder. > > > Whether you want it to or not, this comes across as "If you want to > > > use Go or Rust, you will need our special set of tools which we keep > > > hidden." > > > > > > > This is actually something I really don't like either. But the Fedora > > leadership has pushed very hard on the concept of having packages that > > aren't available to "normies", and require special tooling to be able > > to leverage (that for various reasons, I can't even use as a third > > party packager!). > > If MBI is about hiding build packages I don't see the point and I'm not > interested. > MBI isn't about that. That's what modularity is (partly) about. > What I *am* interested in is being able to import in one go the > hundred(s) of srpms involved in building the complex highly modularized > stuff package projects output nowadays, without the two months of review > getting each spec audited separately would entail. > > Our main infra and main administrative processes just don't scale. > Indeed. Those were ideas that we put into the proposal of things we want to improve. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
