On Tue, 2019-01-29 at 14:31 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 at 05:42, Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 28, 2019 at 06:41:26PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > > > This feels more like system-wide change… > > > > Especially since you say that some extra packages will be retired. > > > > > > A very limited set. The distro as a whole should not be impacted by this. > > > > > > The retired packages are legacy cruft. And the important stuff that > > > needs to be updated needs some motivation like this. > > > > "This change needs to motivate other important stuff that we don't have > > direct control over to change" seems like *exactly* the reason we ask for > > system-wide changes to be filed earlier. > > > > > > > This is like the 4th system wide change this release which is coming in as > a Self-Contained. Each time the developer thinks it is self-contained > because it is just one little thing, but on regards it turns into being a > system-wide change. However because the two deadlines are one after the > other, it means that this change is pushed out another 6 months where the > 3-4 weeks between System-Wide and Self-Contained doesn't seem very long. > Can we either: I feel like this is a bit of a side track, when the fundamental point here should be: "the week of the mass rebuild" seems rather late to propose "hey let's try retiring yum again and see what breaks this time and if we can get it fixed". I would've been all in favour of doing that, say, a month ago. I'm less in favour of doing it now when we're down to less than three weeks to branching. I do take the argument relating to Python 2 deprecation...but that was known about long ago. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | identi.ca: adamwfedora http://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
