On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 2:50 PM <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 8:57 AM, Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > Does anyone actually take care of our fonts stuff anymore? > > > Off the top of my head, there's Akira Tagoh covering fontconfig both upstream and downstream, Marek Kasik covering freetype downstream, and Nikolaus Waxweiler handling freetype upstream, Cantarell upstream, and the GNOME settings. > > It seems unlikely to me that any downstream customizations would be accepted directly into Fedora, since we try to stick very close to upstream defaults. So please, send any desired improvements upstream. > > For example, the gschema changes should go to the gnome-settings-daemon project, where it is probably going to run up against the fact that (I believe) Nikolaus prefers grayscale hinting. I'm sure he'd be happy to provide a rationale for why rgba is not default. Then the fontconfig changes should be submitted to the fontconfig project. The author of the changes should again be prepared to argue why the changes should become defaults. I don't see why upstream would reject the changes if they are good. > > At the end of the day, font settings are highly subjective, so I'm pretty skeptical of anything called "fedora-enhanced-defaults" or "fedora-better-fonts". They don't look any better or worse to me. They just look different. So I'm inclined to trust the expertise of the people maintaining the font packages, who've probably not set the defaults as they are arbitrarily.... > Most of the defaults upstream are largely due to legal issues that are no longer applicable. And Fedora is the only distribution I know of that actually actively maintains a very large fontconfig configuration for every single font. I *know* we deviate from "upstream" in some regards because our font configuration isn't something they ship. In addition, until Fedora 29, we didn't even have Liberation 2.0 fonts in the distribution, and those fonts were produced by Red Hat years ago (and included in most other distributions). None of what you said should imply we should abdicate our responsibility to actively improve how our distribution works. That said, I would certainly like to see our maintainers and experts in this weigh in and examine what we can do to include these improvements across the board, which is why I've CC'd our freetype and fontconfig maintainers to ask them to weigh in. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
