Konstantin Ryabitsev writes: >> Why did the XFCE packages disappear from rawhide? > >Read the last 512 messages sent to the list. Sheesh. :) You have a point. But at the same time, there are still unanswered questions. Who made the final decision about which packages were to go? Bill Nottingham? Elliot? Someone else? What was the rationale for their selection -- space saving, obviously, but why package A rather than package B? Although I personally disagree with some of the choices[1], I don't see anything going that is critical to be in Core (although see below). But it would be nice to know who made the decisions, and the reasons they made them. Something that needs to be addressed formally at some point, though, is the line between Core and Extras and where it's drawn. The stated objective is for Core to provide "a complete general-purpose operating system". There is no equivalent statement of intent regarding Extras. It would seem logical to have the objectives be something like: Core: A general purpose OS with the functionality required by the majority of end users. Core + Extras: A complete general purpose OS, with extra functionality used by niche groups, and alternate packages that provide similar functionality to the defaults in Core. Thus a package could be measured against those objectives to help decide whether it belonged in Core or Extras. It's probably too late to do this for FC4, but it should be seriously considered for FC5. Tet [1] The list includes 4 apps (gnumeric, abiword, gv and aumix) that I use on a fairly regular basis. Personally, I think OO.o should have been removed, but I realise I'm in the minority there...