On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 5:44 PM, Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Sun, Oct 28, 2018 at 7:30 PM Charles-Antoine Couret > <renault@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> >> Le 28/10/2018 à 22:32, Neal Gompa a écrit : >> > but the point is, IBM is not an open source company. >> >> Eclipse, Linux (top 5 companies in term of kernel contributions), MQTT >> (network protocol), OpenPower (hardware), etc. >> >> It is not perfect but it is a lot of projects and contributions to FOSS. >> > > While it is true that they have given a lot to FOSS, they do even more > with proprietary solutions. Their primary products are all proprietary > solutions, and their cloud is not built from FOSS solutions. If the > bean counters at IBM decide to change everything over and open source > everything, then sure, I'll take it back. > > And with the projects you mention, IBM is barely involved (except OpenPOWER). > >> > Red Hat has been a company I've admired since I got into Linux back in >> > 2000. I genuinely worry that IBM will smother Red Hat and kill one of >> > the largest producers of awesome FOSS with its bureaucratic >> > proprietary-ness. >> >> When a company is buying another company, it is always a new story. We >> can't know in advance what would be the organization for both entities. >> >> Red Hat could have a lot of autonomy, or not. IBM could be able to get >> only some products for them and let the rest for Red Hat as usual. >> > > Experience with companies acquired by IBM in the past have indicated > that I should not have hope for this... > > Unless I see some ink indicating otherwise, I'm assuming it will be > the same bloodsucking strategy they used on SoftLayer and other > companies they bought. It's pie in the sky but if it were a case of Red Hat buying IBM with IBM's money (ala Apple and NeXT) I wouldn't be as concerned. But yeah, IBM's acquisition track record speaks for itself, so it'd take some substantial ink to mitigate it. And also, the shareholders have to approve that deal. It really is up to them at this point. > >> >> It is difficult to predict this kind of things. The best thing to do is >> to wait more news from Red Hat about it. And see more concrete actions >> from them. >> > > It's always a wait and see approach. I'm a bit disappointed that no > one from Red Hat has said anything yet. The only comfort is that > apparently most RHers I know are equally surprised... > > It'd be nice if someone from up top would deign to come and talk to us > directly... There's an email I referenced from Whitehurst. I expect no one in Fedoraland knows more that they can also talk about publicly yet. For all kinds of reasons, not least of which RHT is a publicly traded company, all of this would have been known by a rather small number of Red Hat leadership until today. And the bottom line is it really doesn't matter what anybody says, it matters what they do. And that's gonna take some time to sort out. -- Chris Murphy _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
