On Thu, Oct 4, 2018, 23:33 Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The fact is, the world has moved away from quoted mail with inline replies.
Top posting rules basically everywhere except hold-out old-school mailing
lists. Gmail, both on the web and _especially_ on mobile, makes it almost
impossible to do quoting and inline replies properly. I can't imagine other
big consumer email providers are much better.
Yes, this sucks for having nuanced point-by-point discussions. But I don't
think that's a tide we're really going to hold back. We should look at other
tools that fit with the way people do asynchronous online discussion today.
As Brian noted, we're trying out Discourse at https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/
— if you're interested in trying it out, come join the conversation there.
How can we get our space there? Packaging and Rust topics.
On Thu, Oct 04, 2018 at 03:51:51PM +0530, Manas Mangaonkar wrote:
> all this aside,HTML mail format is difficult to qoute and reply on
> mobile,plain text would be nice.
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 3:34 PM, Brian (bex) Exelbierd <bexelbie@xxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 11:44 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski
> > <dominik@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday, 03 October 2018 at 08:38, Florian Weimer wrote:
> > > > * Iñaki Ucar:
> > > >
> > > > > IMO, it would be easier for everybody if the mailing list could
> > > > > automatically strip out the HTML part. Some projects do this (e.g.,
> > > > > R).
> > > >
> > > > In many cases, the quoting in the text/html part is easier to read
> > (it's
> > > > clearer who wrote what) than in the text/plain part.
> > >
> > > For me it's actually the other way around, because HTML part gets
> > > processed by lynx. Quoting is marked by identation, which is not
> > > automatically highlighted by VIM, while the > prefix in the text/plain
> > > part is.
> > >
> > > But that's beside the point. My point was about excessive and
> > > unnecessary bandwith usage (the same information gets sent twice).
> >
> > I respect this issue, but I wonder if it this is a situation where we
> > are trying to solve a problem for a small number of people by
> > potential inconveniencing or excluding a lot of people.
> >
> > While Internet plans vary, I wonder how many pay per bit? In
> > September, if you assume every message sent to devel list was plain
> > text and you further assume that the html version was 1.25 times
> > longer then the total traffic for the month would have been about 10.6
> > MB. While this is 2.25 more bits than were actually sent (based on
> > disk size), is it really a problem we should invest effort in fixing?
> >
> > We know that more and more people are using mailers which can
> > accidentally or purposefully send HTML mail. We know that we want to
> > attract people, and not create unneeded barriers to entry. Saying
> > that you have to change your email client to participate in Fedora is
> > a huge disincentive. We are effectively putting a sign on the door
> > saying "go away."
> >
> > I suggest that if we think this is a serious issue and that we want to
> > get the maximum possible help to those who are forced to pay by the
> > bit that we stop sending them mail they don't need all together. Lets
> > move this mailing list (and others) to discussion.fedoraproject.org.
> > There the person will be given the ability to select exactly which
> > subjects they see and allow to be transmitted down the wire.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > bex
> >
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Dominik
> > > --
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> > > oppression to develop psychic muscles.
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