On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 at 11:02, Bastien Nocera <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 9:04 AM, Kalev Lember <kalevlember@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > > > > Dunno what to do wrt the ongoing freeze and getting final 3.30 in F29 > > > Beta, I guess it may be too late for that. Any opinions from QA here? > > > > > > If 3.29 is not what GNOME folks had ever wanted to ship in the Beta, > > why are we hearing about it one week before go/nogo? The schedule has > > been published for what, 9 months? *shrug* > > GNOME has been releasing every 6 months on pretty much the same dates > for more than 10 years, and Fedora's schedule is modelled after GNOME's > for the purpose of getting things like GNOME, and other bi-yearly > time-based releases into Fedora. So Fedora knows well what schedule it > needs to adopt to get a .0 version of GNOME into the beta. > > With GNOME 3.30 having been released yesterday, on schedule, I'm not sure > how either the Fedora packagers or the upstream could have done things > differently. What the Fedora packagers/desktop group should have done is something like the following: 1. Made it clear to releng/QA/FESCO that the release date was X. [This was done] 2. Made it clear that they would need either to move the beta or get an out of band exception ready for it. [This doesn't seem to have been done.] 3. Keep bringing it up regularly to keep it in people's brain buffers. [This was definitely not done.] Yes that is people work when coding is more fun, but it is what keeps this blowing up every release. Most groups and individuals have been following those rules above and this makes it feel like they did it for all for nothing. So of course they are going to be pissed off when any group be it GNOME, systemd, gcc/glibc, python, kernel, etc comes in during a freeze and act like they should get an exception automatically. > > As a sidenote, this tone of discourse is frankly getting old. GNOME aren't > there to spite you. That is a two way street. The distribution doesn't have these processes in order to spite you but to try and make releases smoother and faster out the door so you aren't waiting 4 months after your release to get it on Fedora users desktops. I -- Stephen J Smoogen. _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
