Re: Fedora 30 System-Wide Change proposal: Remove the Group: Tag From All Packages

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On Fri, 2018-08-24 at 14:12 -0400, Przemek Klosowski wrote:
> On 08/22/2018 04:28 PM, Ben Cotton wrote:
> > https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ffe
> > doraproject.org%2Fwiki%2FChanges%2FRemove_Group_Tag&data=02%7C0
> > 1%7Cprzemek.klosowski%40nist.gov%7C651a81e7675e4b31057b08d6086f1e90
> > %7C2ab5d82fd8fa4797a93e054655c61dec%7C1%7C0%7C636705670673083010&am
> > p;sdata=xvi9PSYy9IGEIcvyLdwiX9QmyPqLmInm23Np%2Fl%2BJMSc%3D&rese
> > rved=0
> > 
> > == Summary ==
> > Remove the Group: tag from over 9000 source packages.
> 
> I noticed that gpg-pubkey packages consistently have the group of
> Public 
> Keys, so at worst it's being used for something, and at best there's
> a 
> template somewhere that includes it when those packages are created.
> 
> Also, as a random data point, here are the Group stats from a system 
> with most (7700+) Fedora 27 packages installed:
> 
>        1 Applications/Security
>        1 Development/Build Tools
>        2 Amusements/Graphics
>        2 Development/Java
>        3 System/Boot
>        6 Amusements/Games
>       10 System Environment/Kernel
>       11 Applications/Editors
>       11 User Interface/X Hardware Support
>       12 Applications/Communications
>       13 Development/Debuggers
>       16 Development/System
>       17 Applications/File
>       19 Applications/Archiving
>       20 Applications/Databases
>       20 Documentation
>       21 Applications/Productivity
>       22 Applications/Emulators
>       26 User Interface/Desktops
>       31 Public Keys
>       33 Applications/Text
>       46 System Environment/Daemons
>       59 Applications/Internet
>       65 User Interface/X
>       93 Applications/Multimedia
>      128 Applications/Engineering
>      157 Applications/System
>      163 Development/Tools
>      201 System Environment/Base
>      230 Development/Languages
>      288 Development/Debug
>      329 Applications/Publishing
>      807 Development/Libraries
>      843 System Environment/Libraries
>     3516 Unspecified

I think you are missing the main point , Groups was deprecated in favor
of comps.xml or appdata (we wrote about it, some time ago in thread
"why the Group tag is obsolete ? " [1] 

"So, (if we want the package have a group ) all packages should be
 enumerated in comps, or not ? . 
Yes (in comps)" 

So are all packages enumerated in comps ? (no) 
Have we a replacement of repoview that group packages without using rpm
group tag ? (no) 
What is the percentage of packages that have appdata ? 
what is the percentage of packages that are registered in comps.xml ? 

Maybe it was more useful have a task force in these 3 points (
repoview, appdata and comps.xml ) 

Final note , as I still use repoview, I think it is a useful tool , it
doesn't make much sense to me remove group tag ...

Best regards,

[1] 
https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@lists.fedoraproject
.org/message/3QFUZOGMGLGO4WONBDIFEXKBSG3T4OXU/

-- 
Sérgio M. B.
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