Re: F29 System Wide Change: Hide the grub menu

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On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 6:31 PM, Adam Williamson
<adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Thu, 2018-05-31 at 15:58 -0400, Ken Coar wrote:
>> At 2018-05-31T02:36, Jason L Tibbitts III irritated the
>> Akashic Field to say:
>> >
>> > If a user is technical, and our documentation is reasonably good,
>> > then they should be able to achieve the level of verbosity they want.
>>
>> When you need to get into single-user mode, the documentation
>> is probably not to hand. :-)
>>
>> How about making this a yes/no installation option?
>
> http://islinuxaboutchoice.com/

I know that this page was created by Fedora developers, so this is
probably going to be an unpopular opinion here, but...

I've always found this argument incredibly suspect (and, frankly, the
page overly condescending). At its core, for users (especially desktop
users), using Linux at all very frequently _is_ a choice. The choice
to use open source software at all is, well, a choice. They are
choosing to install an operating system that is open source on
hardware that probably didn't come with it.

Now I do agree that this does not mean the development of a Linux
distribution necessarily has to be "about choice". But my somewhat
cynical observation is that people usually pull out the "Linux isn't
about choice" card when they are trying to justify some choice they
have made and want others to adopt.

So, back to the topic of this thread: while I don't think this choice
belongs in the installer, I do think there should be detailed
instructions somewhere for end users on how to enable or disable the
grub boot menu, so they can _choose_ the behavior that they want. A
quick Google search for "fedora hide grub menu" turned up a blog post
or two, an ask.fp.o post, a couple forum threads, and a Stack Exchange
post as the first few results, which makes me believe it's not
currently well explained anywhere in our documentation? Perhaps that
should be fixed, regardless whatever the outcome of this change
discussion is.

Ben Rosser
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