On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 6:31 PM, Adam Williamson <adamwill@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Thu, 2018-05-31 at 15:58 -0400, Ken Coar wrote: >> At 2018-05-31T02:36, Jason L Tibbitts III irritated the >> Akashic Field to say: >> > >> > If a user is technical, and our documentation is reasonably good, >> > then they should be able to achieve the level of verbosity they want. >> >> When you need to get into single-user mode, the documentation >> is probably not to hand. :-) >> >> How about making this a yes/no installation option? > > http://islinuxaboutchoice.com/ I know that this page was created by Fedora developers, so this is probably going to be an unpopular opinion here, but... I've always found this argument incredibly suspect (and, frankly, the page overly condescending). At its core, for users (especially desktop users), using Linux at all very frequently _is_ a choice. The choice to use open source software at all is, well, a choice. They are choosing to install an operating system that is open source on hardware that probably didn't come with it. Now I do agree that this does not mean the development of a Linux distribution necessarily has to be "about choice". But my somewhat cynical observation is that people usually pull out the "Linux isn't about choice" card when they are trying to justify some choice they have made and want others to adopt. So, back to the topic of this thread: while I don't think this choice belongs in the installer, I do think there should be detailed instructions somewhere for end users on how to enable or disable the grub boot menu, so they can _choose_ the behavior that they want. A quick Google search for "fedora hide grub menu" turned up a blog post or two, an ask.fp.o post, a couple forum threads, and a Stack Exchange post as the first few results, which makes me believe it's not currently well explained anywhere in our documentation? Perhaps that should be fixed, regardless whatever the outcome of this change discussion is. Ben Rosser _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/DFSPLL3LEHJWOI6J4RJL2OPN4EFEA6MV/
