I think it was a fair question which was raised about the size of the audience being sought to be catered to, vs the mass of users of Fedoraproject code, and their 'least astonishment' and loss of acquired knowledge as to use If there are, oh, say, twelve people in the world that actually care about instantaneous GUI boots in Fedora, it is a waste of time to mess with this thread but to the most recent point raised about 'modifier keys'. I recall doing this back in DOS days with a third-party tool that permitted 'BAT files' to query for Shift, Alt, and Ctrl key states, and to build boolean decision trees: On Thu, 31 May 2018, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > If the protocol were that the boot menu would be shown if > any key at all were held down, then we wouldn't need a 1 > second delay. or, perhaps, better still and less complex as in needing to suppress a boot menu, a message at the bottom of the GUI screen from its first appearance and for ten seconds or so: Hold either Shift key for more boot options so that a person could be habituated to holding a 'harmless' key. Harmless, in the sense that it does not fill and over-run a key-press buffer and start beeping at the holder I speak having personal setup options of: 15 sec timeout at the grub options menu with plymouth graphical stuff, rhgb, and quiet disabled always booting to a non-GUI console why: multi-user.target for something formerly though of as 'single user', although with multiple PTYs ?? with a 640x480 console which is NOT cleared away to support the fact that I am almost always remote and on KVM devices of varying resolutions, and so favoring a 'least common denominator' as to capabilities That last (preserving the TUI boot screen was tricky to find docoed Use: # systemctl edit getty@tty1 and add: # [Service] TTYVTDisallocate=no # as the description for the service -- Russ herrold _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/BNQURFE2BWBLLII47V7DN7JTUNSTVCX3/