Forwarding reply from Ken: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ken Coar <kcoar@xxxxxxxxxx> To: devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Cc: Bcc: Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 12:20:32 -0400 Subject: Re: F29 System Wide Change: Hide the grub menu On 05/31/2018 06:43 AM, Jan Kurik wrote: > = Proposed System Wide Change: Hide the grub menu = > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/HiddenGrubMenu > > On systems with only a single OS installed, the grub menu does not > offer any useful functionality, so we should hide it by default. I'm not [yet] in any of the groups which would allow me to comment on the wiki, so I'll do it here. I fundamentally disagree with the 'no useful functionality' reasoning. It provides access to the kernel line, even if there's only one kernel, and that is *definitely* useful functionality. I'm opposed to this change. For one thing, it violates the Principle of Least Astonishment. For another, with SSD drives becoming more and more common, and CPUs faster and faster, the time window for successfully whanging away at the F8/ESC/F12/whatever key in order to bring up the menu is getting harder to hit. Glance away for an instant and you've missed it -- so either let it come up so you can reboot, or (possibly more common) power it down (because you can't get in) and try again. FWIW. -- #ken B-|} Ken, Baron Coar RHCA, RHCVA, Sanagendamgagwedweinini Red Hat IT Infrastructure On Thu, May 31, 2018 at 7:14 PM, Chris Adams <linux@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > Once upon a time, Jason L Tibbitts III <tibbs@xxxxxxxxxxx> said: >> If we're going to patch grub to expand the set of keys it will watch >> for, is it possible to just expand the set to encompass all keys? We >> don't really need to make it that hard to find the grub menu, do we? > > To add: printing a message to the screen for only a few seconds can be > almost useless, as many times monitors take those same seconds to sync > to the output of the GRUB screen (it seems to always be in a different > mode from the BIOS/UEFI boot screen). So IMHO, taking any key would be > good because not only do I not have to remember a specific one or few > keys, I don't have to read a message that is only actually visible for > 0.2 seconds. > > -- > Chris Adams <linux@xxxxxxxxxxx> > _______________________________________________ > devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html > List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines > List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/ARXFTQA5GMS3XKTCTK46ARROS7C6JUNE/ -- Jan Kuřík JBoss EAP Program Manager Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Fedora Code of Conduct: https://getfedora.org/code-of-conduct.html List Guidelines: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines List Archives: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx/message/JVBNUB2NC4P4JHWIHATI2547VXG3PWFV/
