On Thu, 2018-01-11 at 10:19 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 3:26 AM, James Hogarth <james.hogarth@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Having upgraded and freshly installed systems so different is going to > > be messy with supporting users and in many deployed environments... > > and it's not even about F26 and F27 -> F28 but what happens on an F29+ > > system? > > > > Is this workaround going to be maintained in perpetuity? Is it just > > going to cause even more confusion then? > > I agree. Sometimes it's just best to have a flag day. > > Also, the Workstation PRD indicates a requirement that upgrades > produce a system that behaves the same as a clean installed system, > and I question whether a proposal expressing a difference between > upgraded and clean installed systems meets that requirement. > > "Upgrading the system multiple times through the upgrade process > should give a result that is the same as an original install of Fedora > Workstation." > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Workstation_PRD To be honest, that requirement is a pretty substantial overreach. We have no realistic means of verifying it and I strongly suspect we've never actually achieved it. We should probably rephrase it (and the release criterion, which IIRC says something similar) to be more realistic, though I admit I can't come up with a great idea right now. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net _______________________________________________ devel mailing list -- devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx