Hi Arjan, > > I just read about Red Hat ABE (Application Build Environment) which > > seems to be something similar to mach. > > the goals are very similar to mach, but mach uses apt which made it not > suitable as basis for the ABE I have to bite here :) Given that a) mach has been used by some people over some time; b) people working on mach have repeatedly tried to discuss with Red Hat and said "hey, we'd like to work with you on a build system to be used by all", as part of the "community" project that is Fedora; but no attempts were made from Red Hat to unify forces; c) nothing more was ever offered as negative feedback on mach than "it uses apt" (a fact that is easily changeable, obviously); d) you could easily have asked "hey, can't mach be made to not use apt, but do (insert random feature you would like)" why did the "NIH" syndrome that Red Hat sometimes displays wins out over the desire to involve the community in the "community" project ? I am behind Red Hat and Fedora 100% of the way, against the flames of friends who really do not understand why this Fedora thing is all talk and no action. Things like this are just one of the many things symptomatic of the fact that Red Hat seems to want us to believe there's a community to be involved in, when in fact there is no such thing. I realize that you probably don't care, and that you have a job to do, and it's already hard enough as it is, and sometimes it's just easier to Do Your Own Thing to Get The Job Done. And this is very much not a personal flame at you, just a flame at Red Hat in general. To put it ghetto-style - when is RH going to stop talking the talk and start walking the walk ? Thomas Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://www.davedina.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> Say what you mean or you won't mean a thing to me <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.fm/
