On Thu, 2 Feb 2017 at 5:20 am, Brian (bex) Exelbierd <bex@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> On 31.1.2017 09:13, Amit Saha wrote:
>> Hello Jan,
>>
>> The Fedora Scientific spin already includes most of the Python 3
>> packages you are looking at. Is it worth looking at that instead of a
>> new spin? I am happy to change it to use GNOME instead of KDE.
>
> Hi. It's not about GNOME/KDE, it's about main purpose of such lab and also marketing. Compare:
>
> > Use Fedora for teaching Python, it has a Python Clasroom Lab available just for that!
>
> With:
>
> > Use Fedora for teaching Python, it has a Scientific Spin that happens to have all the Python 3 tools needed!
Phrased this way I agree with you. However, I think your wording is pretty harsh. I'm on a plane right now so I don't have the Scientific Spin marketing message in hand, but I think you could say:
Teaching or learning python, the Fedora Scientific Spin is a great way to easily have all the tools you need. It also supports additional educational options with the included science components.
Before pushing on this I'd like to see the Scientific Spin's build size.
As the maintainer of this spin, I would be to discuss any changes to be suitable for meeting the needs of both target audiences.
Regards,
bex
>
>>
>>
>>
>> Have you though
>> On Tue, 31 Jan 2017 at 6:31 pm, Jan Kurik <jkurik@xxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:jkurik@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>> = System Wide Change: Python Classroom Lab =
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/PythonClassroomLab
>>
>> Change owner(s):
>> * Miro Hrončok <mhroncok AT redhat DOT com>
>> * SIGs/Python <python-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:python-devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
>>
>>
>> A new Python Classroom Lab will be created in 3 variants: Workstation
>> based, Docker based and Vagrant based. It's an important step for our
>> Fedora Loves Python initiative. The main audience are Python teachers
>> and workshop instructors.
>>
>>
>> == Detailed Description ==
>> A new comps packages group with Python development tools will be
>> created and a new Lab (or Spin) for teaching Python or Python related
>> topics will be available from labs.fedoraproject.org
>> <http://labs.fedoraproject.org> as well as from
>> the Docker Hub and Vagrant Atlas.
>>
>> A work in progress for the lab is available on GitHub.
>>
>> The Lab will contain:
>> * Python 3.6 including the python3-devel package
>> * Python 2.7 including the python2-devel package
>> * PyPy 3
>> * tox
>> * virtualenv
>> * IPython console for both Python 2 and 3
>> * Jupyter Notebook with Python 2 and 3 kernels (if this gets into
>> Fedora in time)
>> * offline documentation for Python 2 and 3
>> * basic toolchain for building C and C++ extensions and valgrind
>> * git
>> * nano, vim, ssh client, curl, wget
>> * devel packages for commonly used dependencies of packages on the
>> Python Package Index
>> * * libxml2-devel
>> * * libyaml-devel
>> ...
>>
>> The Workstation based lab will also contain:
>> * Basic GNOME
>> * Terminal emulator
>> * Text editor
>> * PDF reader
>> * Web browser
>> * Image viewer
>> * ...and possibly other utilities
>>
>> But it will not include multimedia and virtualization support, office
>> suite, e-mail client.
>>
>>
>> == Scope ==
>> Proposal owners:
>> * create the comps group
>> * create kickstarts for live and vagrant variants
>> * create a layer for docker
>>
>> Other developers:
>> * Design team: Create an image for labs.fedoraproject.org
>> <http://labs.fedoraproject.org>
>> * Websites team: Add the new Lab to labs.fedoraproject.org
>> <http://labs.fedoraproject.org>
>>
>> Release engineering:
>> List of deliverables:
>> *
>> Labs/i386/iso/Fedora-Python-Classroom-Live-i386-_RELEASE_MILESTONE_.iso
>> *
>> Labs/x86_64/iso/Fedora-Python-Classroom-Live-x86_64-_RELEASE_MILESTONE_.iso
>> *
>> Labs/armhfp/images/Fedora-Python-Classroom-armhfp-_RELEASE_MILESTONE_-sda.raw.xz
>> *
>> Labs/i386/images/Fedora-Python-Classroom-Vagrant-_RELEASE_MILESTONE_.i386.vagrant-libvirt.box
>> *
>> Labs/i386/images/Fedora-Python-Classroom-Vagrant-_RELEASE_MILESTONE_.i386.vagrant-virtualbox.box
>> *
>> Labs/x86_64/images/Fedora-Python-Classroom-Vagrant-_RELEASE_MILESTONE_.x86_64.vagrant-libvirt.box
>> *
>> Labs/x86_64/images/Fedora-Python-Classroom-Vagrant-_RELEASE_MILESTONE_.x86_64.vagrant-virtualbox.box
>> * docker images via Fedora Docker Layered image build service
>>
>> Policies and guidelines: nothing
>>
>> Trademark approval: waiting
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>> Jan Kuřík
>> Platform & Fedora Program Manager
>> Red Hat Czech s.r.o., Purkynova 99/71, 612 45 Brno, Czech Republic
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