Re: future of official optical media support in Fedora

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On Thu, Dec 8, 2016 at 11:22 AM, Dennis Gilmore <dennis@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On miércoles, 7 de diciembre de 2016 1:56:32 PM CST Mike Pinkerton wrote:
>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 09:43, Kamil Paral wrote:
>> > Which images to cover, that's the heart of the discussion. If you
>> > look into our test matrix again, we currently block on 6 of them:
>> > * Workstation Live + netinst
>> > * KDE Live
>> > * Server DVD + netinst
>> > * Everything netinst
>> >
>> > What comes first to my mind is Server (DVD + netinst). My guess is
>> > that people don't install Server from optical media, but rather
>> > from PXE or USB. I can't imagine installing Server boxes from DVDs.
>> > But I'd really like to hear from Server users how this is likely or
>> > not. Also, Server is most probably not given away at events. I
>> > don't know about sending Server DVDs to the developing world, we
>> > can make an inquiry about that.
>>
>> On 6 Dec 2016, at 12:20, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> > So an alternative to kparal's scheme would be to try and consider
>> > this,
>> > and say we test:
>> >
>> > * Workstation live
>> > * Everything netinst
>> > * Server DVD
>> >
>> > and consider those to be representative of the broad 'types' of
>> > ISOs in
>> > terms of the compose process. That way we don't have to test
>> > Workstation or Server netinsts, or the KDE live, on optical media.
>>
>> On 7 Dec 2016, at 09:13, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> > I think: Workstation x86_64 Live, and at least one netinstall image of
>> > any flavor (from which, in a pinch, anything else can be installed via
>> > kickstart).
>>
>> I use the Server netinstall image.  Use cases include loop mounting
>> the netinstall .iso on boxes with Grub2 -- works on remote boxes
>> where there is no physical access and can be easier than setting up a
>> remote PXE solution -- and burning a CD for local boxes without Grub2.
> There is the pxe iso to use boot.fedoraproject.org that would probably better
> suit your purposes.
>
>> I would be fine with dropping the Server DVD.
>>
>> Does anyone maintain a up-to-date list of the content differences
>> between the Server and Everything netinstall discs?  Is there any
>> difference other than in default preferences?  Is there a way to do a
>> single disc with a choice of "give me Server defaults" or "give me
>> Everything defaults"?
>
> The server netinst iso uses the server defaults, partitioning and filesystem
> selection. there is no way to do both with a single disk today. it would
> require who knows what work, I imagine the work is possible its just not an
> option today.  probably your best bet again is bfo[1]
>
> Dennis
>
> [1] https://boot.fedoraproject.org/

Admittedly, I have not gone through the whole thread, but I'd like to
point out that I *do* use the DVD and netinstall ISOs for optical
media boot on real hardware, though in a somewhat indirect manner.
Many of the servers I use have IPMI, which allows me to have it boot a
remote DVD device with an ISO or a real DVD drive. Due to certain
bugs[1], I've increasingly relied on the DVD vs netinstall. From the
system's perspective, it's a regular DVD startup, just like with VMs.

[1]: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1228897



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