On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:28 PM, Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
The idea is that the hostname is randomly generated at install time.On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:25 PM, Andrew Lutomirski <luto@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
>> <zbyszek@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 05:25:36PM -0500, Matthew Miller wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Nov 08, 2016 at 04:49:42PM -0500, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>>>> > SUSE generates a random name of the format linux-XXXXXX (I'm not sure how many
>>>> > My proposal is that we should consider changing the default hostname for Fedora
>>>> > 26 to be either FED-XXXXXXXXXXX or FEDORA-XXXXXXXX. The former allows for a
>>>>
>>>> How about non-yelly Fedora-XXXXXXXXXXX? Since SUSE apparently does
>>>> lower case, that should be fine, right?
>>>
>>> Bastian Nocera also filed https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1392925 ,
>>> where he proposes "fedora" as the hostname. I think "fedora" is better than
>>> "localhost", and a non-constant hostname would be even better.
>>> For interactive installs (like with anaconda) it would be great if we could
>>> ask for the hostname. For non-interactive ones, "Fedora-[0-9a-z-]{8}" seems
>>> like a good option (*). It would give "branding", and solve the freeipa issues.
>>> It would also be a good default for the interactive case, so that people can
>>> "click through" without having to pick anything.
>>>
>>> (*) The suffix could include dashes for more possibilities, but they should
>>> not be adjacent or at the end.
>>
>> I'm in favor of defaulting to "Fedora-[0-9a-z-]{8}" myself. However,
>> I'm concerned that people don't realize that we can, in fact, set the
>> hostname during installation. People usually don't because Anaconda
>> doesn't currently make that mandatory or otherwise note that it's
>> possible during the initial panel of spokes (hint: it's the networking
>> spoke), and so the default of "localhost" continues on without anyone
>> being the wiser.
>>
>>
>
> If the hostname is non-constant, can we also arrange that, by default,
> this hostname is never sent over the network? In particular, I think
> that DHCP requests should *not* include this hostname. We're already
> starting to randomize MAC addresses -- there's no reason to give a
> persistent per-installation identifier to every network.
It definitely is constant. And speaking from experience, not including
the hostname in DHCP requests breaks quite a few user expectations
(especially the ability to identify the computer by name).
When I go to a random coffee shop and connect to wifi, I have a very strong user expectation that the coffee shop *not* be able to identify me by name. It's even somewhat dubious to advertise to the coffee shop that I'm using Fedora.
If this means that NetworkManager needs to generate a per-network random client ID, so be it. IMO a per-installation value absolutely should not be sent to a network that is not explicitly (on an opt-in basis) configured as trusted.
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