On 14 October 2016 at 16:02, Kevin Fenzi <kevin@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Making personal attacks or calling people names is not acceptable.
My comment is not about persons but about exact work which has been done by someone.
It refers not to who done thys but HOW it has been done.
What I've wrote is as well not accusation or empty claim but has enough TECHNICAL justification.
Looking on history of the changes in texlive.spec looks like people responsible for sending to build systems and signing packages been tolerating this madness more than half year.
Q: not who accepted this but WHY? Why someone not refused to move more 5k packages after single build request?
Bad thing happens .. and sometimes disasters happens even because someone not intentionally done something (which I believe had happen this time).
However someone as well approved results of those texlive changes so fragmenting texlive to include main Fedora tree. So what I've wrote is not about exact people but more about failing processes which not blocked to release so badly done packages.
Packing thousands archive files in single source package should be kind of first alarm .. but it wasn't!!!
Again: not who done this but WHY? Maybe it was perfect good reason to do this exactly this way (?) but really I don't see it.
If it is true .. maybe can someone help me to understand intention packaging texlive like it is now?
If someone personally feels touch by what I've wrote about texlive or packaging texlive .. really it is not my problem.
I'm only trying to shake this tree .. instead smacking me using political correctness better would be just start asking (using some kind of analogy) "how it was possible to climb so high on this unattended tree?"
I'm only trying to shake this tree .. instead smacking me using political correctness better would be just start asking (using some kind of analogy) "how it was possible to climb so high on this unattended tree?"
If it is not obvious that only this kind of "WHY?" questions are bouncing in my head .. really I've nothing to add than (Latin) "errare humanum est perseverare autem diabolicum".
Learning process is not possible without making mistakes and this is why it is not possible to learn about something only by reading about it. I'm as well fully aware that many people here trying to help on Fedora development in reality are learning .. and it is nothing bad with this.
I know this because I've started almost 20 years ago trying to build my first package. I made in the past enough number of times mistakes (not only on packaging) to learn really a lot things .. and still it is even more ahead of me.
What we are personally doing when someone spots our mistake says something about us .. and only us.
So .. don't worry. I'm going patiently sit down and wait until people maintaining texlive at least few times will try to fix not only this trigger issue but whole texlive packaging approach :)
Have a good weekend :)
kloczek
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