On Wed, Jul 13, 2016, at 03:04 PM, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > I want to add a couple more to the scope: dnf and PackageKit. I don't > care *how* dnf and PackageKit get started. If they're making changes, > systemd should *not* zap them on logout. PackageKit has been a daemon from the start (and this has been a long-running major technological difference from yum). For precisely this reason, you wouldn't want logging out of your desktop to break updates in the middle. rpm-ostree is also a daemon, and what's notable here is unlike the dnf/PackageKit situation, you can't even use rpm -Uvh, so there is only one way to mutate the host system that is consistently using a daemon. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx