On 31 May 2016 at 12:39, Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > On Sun, 2016-05-29 at 17:17 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> They usually have a 60 hour a week job > > I hope this isn't accurate...? I don't know. I was using an old data point where people in the US software industry once you accounted for all 'unpaid' time: commute, lunch, after hour hacking on a problem, extra hours during crunch time and then averaging the hours. That came out for 70 hours a week with commuting and 60 hours a week if you dropped that for Microsoft and similar industry giants. Startups were up to 2x that. [They aren't paid for more than 40 hours a week. Everything else is made up with possible future stock sales and bonuses.] The social impacts and differences between US capitalism and everywhere else are outside the scope of this list/conversation. In the end, does it matter if it was true or hyperbole? Even if everyone at Red Hat only worked 40 hours a week.. other than the N people directly working on it.. every one else would still be volunteering their time on Fedora outside of those work hours just as much as people who are working at a University or IBM or Microsoft. And whether it is that they worked 40 hours a week or 60 hours.. those extra hours are just as precious to them as they are for the University/IBM or Microsoft person -- Stephen J Smoogen. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://lists.fedoraproject.org/admin/lists/devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx