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On Tuesday, May 31, 2016 2:31:04 PM CDT Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:
> On 05/31/2016 01:59 PM, Rich Megginson wrote:
> > On 05/31/2016 10:42 AM, Bernardo Sulzbach wrote:
> >> On 05/31/2016 01:39 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 2016-05-29 at 17:17 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
> >>>> They usually have a 60 hour a week job
> >>> 
> >>> I hope this isn't accurate...?
> >> 
> >> I didn't write about it myself, but was left wondering anyways. Do RH
> >> programmers usually work 60 hours per week? "On average", full time
> >> means 40 to 44 hours around the world. I've even seen 30 hours being
> >> called full time in some job postings.
> > 
> > It depends primarily on what country you live in.  In the US, for
> > salaried (as opposed to hourly) programmers, the pay is based off of a
> > 45 hour work week e.g. 8am - 5pm Monday through Friday, lunch included
> > (i.e. you are paid to eat lunch).  Of course, this is strictly for
> > accounting purposes - hardly any salaried programmers work these hours,
> > and most programmers would say "well, I'm more or less working all the
> > time - I get great ideas for solving problems while I'm sleeping and
> > dreaming, in the shower, driving to work, on the bus, etc.", and those
> > hours aren't strictly accounted for.
> 
>  From experience, in Brazil it would either be 40 (the same you wrote,
> but lunch is not paid for) or 44 (+ 4 hours in Saturday mornings).
> 
> I've worked on hourly rates, and unless you get a "change the background
> color to black and text to red" task you are also going to do a
> substantial amount of work when you are not "working", and these hours
> are also not paid for.
> 
> I think that Michael and I were wondering whether RH programmers were
> getting 60 paid hours, not thinking about work at least 60 hours per
> week. This would mean an average of 12 "office" hours (supposing they do
> not work on weekends) per day. Which seems pretty aggressive to most
> professionals I've come across if they are going to sit through that in
> an supervised office.
> 
> I see you write from an @redhat.com address. Are you saying that all
> US-based RedHat developers get 45 hour work weeks or less? I'm talking
> about what the papers say, not the actual amount of work.
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in the US it is 40 hours, you are not paid for your lunch hour.

Dennis

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