On Thu, 2015-10-15 at 08:46 -0500, Pete Travis wrote: > > On 10/15/2015 12:55 AM, drago01 wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 5:46 PM, Bastien Nocera <bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx > > > wrote: > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > Dne 14.10.2015 v 16:50 Bastien Nocera napsal(a): > > > > > If the application cannot work without downloading anything, > > > > > or being > > > > > supplied > > > > > third-party (sometimes proprietary) applications, then it's > > > > > closer to an > > > > > emulator than a front-end that's generally useful. > > > > The guidelines speaks about *dependencies*. > > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Packages_wh > > > > ich_are_not_useful_without_external_bits > > > > > > > > I think that the idea behind this wording was "runtime > > > > dependencies". To deny > > > > application which can not even run without > > > > those proprietary deps. > > > > PlayOnLinux is mainly for games, but you can run any Windows > > > > program using > > > > that. Even Gimp or Firefox (I could not > > > > remember program which does not have native linux version and > > > > is free). > > > > So it may not be useful for you, but it can be useful for > > > > somebody else. > > > > > > > > For me PlayOnLinux is much closer to virt-manager. > > > > > > > > > And emulators aren't allowed in Fedora. > > > > What? > > > > You mean like Wine, all those terminal emulators, QEMU, > > > > atari++, hercules, > > > > fuse-emulator and lots of others? > > > The ones listed here: > > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:SoftwareTypes?rd=Licensi > > > ng/SoftwareTypes > > Wel the reason is not "because they are emulators" but "If it > > requires > > ROMs (or image files in any format) of copyrighted or patented > > material to be useful (and the owners of those copyrights and > > patents > > have not given their express written permission), then it's not > > permitted. " ... so "emulators aren't allowed is not what the > > guidelines say" (the wording is a bit odd though). > > > > As for PlayOnLinux its nothing more than a WINE frontend. So there > > shouldn't be anything wrong with packing it. You can use it it run > > free / freeware windows apps or windows apps (games) that you > > actually > > bought and therefore you do not violate anyone's copyright by using > > them. > > My understanding - which is welcome to correction - is that the WINE > community, and presumably therefore utilities like PlayOnLinux, rely > on > using specific versions of wine, often with specific patch sets, for > each application or game. Many of these patches never make it > upstream > because they are not applicable in the broader sense. That's rather > complicated stuff, and PlayOnLinux solves the problem by defining > those > versions and patches and bundling them up for the user. > > The greater feasibility question IMO is whether it is even possible > for > PlayOnLinux to be effective when using system wine, and if not, > whether > the package can be built in a guidelines-compliant way when it > bundles > and patches this way. I'm using on most of my wine prefixes only system wine. It's much better than specific program versions for me. > Jirka, have you put together a spec yet, as a > proof of concept? Sorry I haven't created the spec now. I will create one and we will see. Thank you all for responses, Jirka -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
