An unbundling triangle: inclination /\ / \ / \ / all \ A / three→ \ B / ideal \ / unbundled \ / package \ / \ /__________________\ availablity expertise C A: Inclination + availability, short on expertise: *Ideally*, this the packager learns quickly and moves to the center of the triangle, at least for this package. More likely, frustration reduces motivation and the package just gets dropped. Other times, a "okay, this works" job is done, but there may be bugs, including potential security issues, and even in better cases, the package becomes a special case, harder to maintain, forever. B: Inclination + expertise, but not available: Any ideas to create more time or more people are welcome, and I don't mean that in a snarky way. My thinking is that we're better off having the people who really care about this problem work on tooling and automation which will do a better job than the "get over the initial high wall" process we have now, by being more thorough and by also applying _after_ initial packager review. C: Availability + expertise, but no inclination: The problem is: we can't *make* people have this inclination. Fedora just plain doesn't have that weight. I wish we did, but it's *clearly* not so. The only outcome of a hard line on this is less relevance for us. That's why I'm in favor of a softer line, and approaches which educate and encourage rather than demand. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct