On Thu, Sep 10, 2015 at 11:02:27AM -0500, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > I know that's something of a straw man, but my point is that we must > have some principles, and must work with upstreams to attempt to get > them to at least understand those principles. And we shouldn't give up > on that just because someone wants some program which is easily provided > by a copr anyway. Well, we _have_ some stated fundamental principles, and Freedom is one of them, while "de-bundle software!" actually isn't. In fact, as Stephen suggests in the initial message, debundling is often in conflict with Features and First. That said, I do recognize that "provides high-quality packages" has also always been an underlying Fedora value even if unstated. But, I think that _that_ value should be in support of the Big Four, and in support of our mission in general, not a sacred beast for its own sake. -- Matthew Miller <mattdm@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Fedora Project Leader -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct