Re: fedup for F23 and beyond

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On Sun, Jun 7, 2015 at 1:41 PM, Neal Gompa <ngompa13@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Uhh, this might be a stupid question, but what actually prevents us
> from integrating the FedUp process into install media (that is, not
> live images)? I mean, yeah, it's nice that we can do upgrades online,
> but what about when the system we need to upgrade doesn't necessarily
> have online access? I'd like to be able to trigger the upgrade
> environment from install media (like with a Fedora Server ISO).
>
> Likewise, being able to upgrade from a netinstall ISO by triggering
> the environment would be cool too. I don't know how practical it would
> be, but it'd be nice if it could be done...
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Richard Hughes <hughsient@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> On 3 June 2015 at 11:55, Petr Hracek <phracek@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> Does it mean that using systemd Offline Updates there will not be a "Zero"
>>> downtime feature.
>>> Except rebooting because of kernel upgrade?
>>
>> Well, we'll certainly be using offline updates to do the actual transaction.
>>
>>> Will there be any possibility to inform user if API or ABI issues are
>>> discovered after an upgrade?
>>
>> We won't be able to do the update if there are package conflicts.
>> We're aiming to show the apps that are problems and offer to remove
>> them, but we can't work magic.
>>
>>> E.g Database was changed and needs to be fixed after the upgrade?
>>
>> This needs to be done in the rpm post scripts.
>>
>>> QT and GUI for upgrade would be awesome?
>>> Do you have any draft already?
>>
>> There are several mockups for GNOME Software already; these need more
>> work but are almost there. I'm almost certain we'll be using
>> gnome-software at least for the workstation spin although they'll of
>> course be a command line tool to schedule to upgrade. I've been asked
>> to spend some time to integrate bits of Wills work into PackageKit,
>> which I'll start to do in a couple of weeks time.


That can't really work because some time after release packages might
be never than the ones on the install media and you might have
packages installed that are not on the install media which could also
cause issues (depsolv errors etc.) during the upgrade process.
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