Re: Including tlp in Fedora Workstation by default

[Nadim Kobeissi <nadim@nadim.computer>]

I respectfully acquiesce that making the kernel better is indeed the more elegant and sound goal, engineering-wise. But I really think that it's just not *realistic* to expect users to wait for kernel developers to fix the very complex and demanding issue of battery life before they can have a Fedora that works with good battery life out of the box.

Users simply don't care. If Fedora depletes what used to be an 11-hour battery on Windows/OS X in 6 hours instead, they'll simply switch back to their former OS within a week. I have years of experience with this scenario and I strongly think you should take my word for it.

Maybe it doesn't have to be TLP, but until the kernel becomes better at power management, there has to be *something* that quenches the undeniable thirst that users have for Fedora's battery life simply being competitive with Windows, OS X, and even Ubuntu, which is also slightly superior in that regard.

Once the kernel indeed improves to solve this problem, then great -- we can remove the short-term solution that Fedora adopted and stick to what the kernel provides. But until then, you have to understand that leaving users with comparatively very under-performing battery life, for reasons they don't care about or understand, means that Fedora will not be able to compete and win more hearts as the free desktop operating system we all love.

Again, I understand that this is an issue with no right answer, only many approximately correct answers. This is my perspective, and I hope you'll consider it.

Nadim

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Jeremy Newton <alexjnewt@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

>> Do you think that the average user with a clicking sound card or disk
>> corruption when suspending would be able to make the link to this new
>> package?
> Even better ... the integrated mouse pointer on my external ThinkPad USB
> keyboard stops working if USB suspend is enabled for this device.

I get this same issue with my computer, but TLP doesn't suspend input devices... or at least it should.

> +1 ... If the kernel isn't perfect, lets make the kernel perfect instead.
> Just my 2 cents.

The one thing I like about TLP would be the ability to tune the machine based on power state. If the kernel or gnome or whatever can do this, I applaud it. Something like this should be default and tweak-able. This includes disk spin down time, bus powersave modes and variable writeback rates.

It's quite clear that battery life sucks for the stock install... I think some initiative should be taken regardless of the method. I'm sure that laptops are the most effected by this.

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