There's no point in this being ideological, Fedora should tolerate the RTC being in local time. Since the dawn of Windows, it's behaved very consistently with respect to RTC time being local time. This is even acknowledged in the UEFI spec as well, which permits local time plus timezone plus daylight savings time metadata. There's just no excuse for any distribution basically being a jerk and punishing the user over Microsoft's ancient decisions. The last time I tested this, it was on a UEFI laptop with Windows 8.1 and either Fedora 21 and 22 pre-alpha. I don't recall the details partly because it was confusing at the time and a non-priority to track down. Since the RTC clearly indicated local time and the timezone, there was absolutely no reason for Fedora to flip out but it was consistently changing the RTC every boot. Window would do the same thing but would be delayed by an hour or so before it figured things out. But in the midst of doing piles of clean installs of Windows and Fedora, at some point Fedora settled on the idea of honoring the RTC in local time while timedatectl warned of this and that it might cause problems because it wasn't entirely supported. Time in UTC is just as absurd and arbitrary as time in a local timezone, so if Windows is going to get berated for not dealing with UTC properly, then Fedora can be berated for not dealing with local time properly. -- Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct