On Sat, Dec 27, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > The question is: is it more confusing for novice users to include a > graphical package manager by default, or to not include it? tl;dr Oh absolutely it's confusing as well as incredibly frustrating. I think software installations should only happen through an application installer (e.g. GNOME Software, or OS Xs' App Store); or through drag and drop copy to install. That method of installation on OS X (I think it's actually a NeXT inheritance, we didn't have this on OS 9 and older) is fantastic as it uninstallation: drag and drop into the trash, empty trash. Superfluous anecdote: The first time I ran GNOME Package years ago, you should have seen the WTFITS expression on my face. And that reaction wasn't about the UI, it was the hours long process of coming to grips with part of the software sausage making factory. I was surprised that this wasn't abstracted from me. The natural explanation is that I was coming from Candy Land OS. But neither OS X nor Windows have a package manager. OS X does have a package installer that executes .mpkg and .pkg file installs, but there's no listing of what's installed or what can be installed and no concept of a repository. App Store can do those things but both App Store and GNOME Software post-date my first experience with a graphical package manager - which was, I'd have preferred getting sick. At least that'd have lasted two or three days and I'd be done with it. Package management is the gift that keeps on giving. But insofaras this is what we're stuck with, I really like what Software has done to the UX, even though I had no choice but to first grok packages and package management before it came along. These days I don't mind yum and actually kinda like dnf. But still my preference would be to see packages obliterated from user domain for sure. -- Chris Murphy -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
