On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 5:41 PM, Johannes Lips <johannes.lips@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 6:56 PM, Christopher <ctubbsii-fedora@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:34 AM, Rejy M Cyriac <rcyriac@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:+1On 11/15/2014 07:43 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 15.11.2014 um 15:06 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
>> Lars Seipel wrote:
>>> What does the community think of it? Is it okay for our flagship
>>> applications to carry ads and report tracking data?
>>
>> No!
>>
>> IMHO, we should consider dropping Firefox from Fedora entirely, in
>> favor of
>> Epiphany for Workstation and Midori for the Spins (except the KDE Spin
>> which
>> already ships Konqueror as the browser)
>
> NO!
>
> * i don't see that crap at all
> * even if i could disable it (or maybe have it in about:config)
> * i want to use Firefox for thousand reasons
>
> it's *not* freedom to remove Firefox
> freedom would be make it not default but still offer it
>
>
>
Disabling the ADs feature from firefox, if that is possible, would be
the right move for Fedora.
We also could lobby mozilla to re-consider this decision.
I don't really understand the issue at all. We also don't have any problems offering google or any other search engine with our default configuration in firefox. But if a truly open-source foundation implements something to generate some revenue, which will most probably help the development of open source software, it suddenly becomes a big deal?
I think the main difference is that it collects personal data and gives that information to for-profit companies, as a default configuration, without a user first "opting in" to that sort of data sharing. It is supposedly sanitized of user-identifying information, but a user should be given the option of deciding whether that sanitization is sufficient for them. Yes, Mozilla is "open source", but that's not the same as "free software" in every sense of the word, and people are wanting more from their free software, such as better control over their personal data, and the idea of privacy is working its way into some definitions of "free".
I don't necessarily see any reason to lobby Mozilla to change their decision... I think it's fine for them to do what they are doing. They might be welcome to a suggestion to include an installer/download option to give their direct download users some better controls over this feature (if they haven't done so already). But for Fedora, I think it makes sense to disable it by default, and if that is done, I don't see any issue. If Mozilla had a "first use" setup option to control this feature, then I would even say that it's not needed for Fedora to even bother doing anything. So, maybe that's something that could be brought up with Mozilla (if it doesn't already exist).
I don't necessarily see any reason to lobby Mozilla to change their decision... I think it's fine for them to do what they are doing. They might be welcome to a suggestion to include an installer/download option to give their direct download users some better controls over this feature (if they haven't done so already). But for Fedora, I think it makes sense to disable it by default, and if that is done, I don't see any issue. If Mozilla had a "first use" setup option to control this feature, then I would even say that it's not needed for Fedora to even bother doing anything. So, maybe that's something that could be brought up with Mozilla (if it doesn't already exist).
+1--
Regards,
Rejy M Cyriac (rmc)
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