On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 12:37 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Wed, Oct 01, 2014 at 04:28:22PM -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > The thing to note is that in all scenarios, the user *MUST* fully update > > their F20 system first, or the results will be undefined and could be > > unpleasant. We need to spell this out very clearly to our upgrading > > users. > > Here's what I'm thinking... > > Converting from vanilla to and from productized Fedora is a separate issue > from upgrading. It's something that someone might want to do at any point, > and it's something that we'll want to have beyond just the F21 release. Are arbitrary inter-product conversions supportable long-term? We can test if a default install of F20 converts into a reasonable approximation of Fedora Workstation 21. But are we going test that a F23 Workstation converts properly to a F23 Server? > I can see the convenience value of letting people check a box or give a flag > at the F20->F21 upgrade point. I wish we had thought of that several months > ago, but I don't think anyone did (or we dropped it if it were mentioned, > sadly). At this point, since the fedup maintainers aren't sold and we're > working on validating the beta already, *and* because the upgrade-to-convert > situation is a one time thing, I think we should put our efforts into the > convert-at-any-time situation. I don't see it as a convenience value - rather it's our main point of control make sure that everybody who wants to be on a product line actually ends up on a product line. As an example: this subject came up on the workstation mailing list because there was a proposal to make the network login functionality in Fedora 21 a package that is pulled in by fedora-release-workstation rather than gnome-shell. If we carry through with that (probably depends on the result of this discussion), then people who upgraded to non-productized F21 would be missing one of the most useful new features in Fedora 21 workstation. But that's just one example of how a non-productized Fedora is not what we're advertising. With subsequent releases of Fedora the gap will grow - but *now* is the best time to make people pick a product if they want one. We could compensate a bit for lack of the feature by making fedup put up a big warning message that directed people to a wiki page with manual instructions - I don't think it looks professional, but it would be better than nothing. - Owen -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
