============================================ #fedora-meeting: Env and Stacks (2014-09-16) ============================================ Meeting started by hhorak at 13:01:52 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-09-16/fedora-meeting.2014-09-16-13.01.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (hhorak, 13:02:53) * IDEA: developers of Koschei would like to see Koschei promoted and recommend as a good tool for all Fedora packagers (hhorak, 13:08:23) * running Koschei for all Fedora packages (promote and recommend it) (hhorak, 13:09:06) * LINK: http://koschei.cloud.fedoraproject.org/ (bkabrda, 13:09:16) * LINK: https://github.com/msimacek/koschei (bkabrda, 13:09:23) * Koschei only runs scratch builds if overall Koji load is below a certain level, but too many packages would mean they'll be rebuilt in very long intervals not to overload koji (hhorak, 13:12:15) * there are plans to create a dynamic web UI, where packagers would be able to add/remove packages themselves (hhorak, 13:15:52) * ACTION: everbody should find out more about koschei; if everyone likes it, we can vote on some sort of formal recommendation next time (hhorak, 13:17:44) * Language specific mirrors for Fedora Playground compliant packages (hhorak, 13:20:56) * the idea was a bit discussed on ML already: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/env-and-stacks/2014-September/000507.html (hhorak, 13:20:56) * fully deployment in RPM for everything does not make sense in projects run one-and-only instance in the world (hhorak, 13:25:17) * LINK: http://doc.devpi.net/latest/ (ncoghlan, 13:28:28) * the idea is to be able to have a mirror of upstream repositories where we could do the initial Fedora Playground checks (hhorak, 13:33:34) * for python devpi seems to be the way to go with this (hhorak, 13:33:34) * we could seed the repos by flagging the packages that have already been accepted into Fedora, the incremental review model could look like language mirror -> Fedora Playground -> Fedora (hhorak, 13:33:34) * other languages may have their specifics and not so linux based upstreams (hhorak, 13:33:35) * un-bundling and similar maintaining work would be solved in the step 'playground -> Fedora' (hhorak, 13:38:25) * dependencies on some system libraries are complicated, could be partly solved by new format wheel and some tricks in devpi (hhorak, 13:49:31) * we should first create the devpi instance and start experimenting with different ways of using it; then when we figure out what/how we want to do, we can create a Fedora feature (hhorak, 13:49:32) * ACTION: bkabrda will request an instance in Fedora cloud to start playing around with devpi (hhorak, 13:50:08) * ACTION: ncoghlan will do a write-up after we experiment a bit with bkabrda's devpi instance (hhorak, 13:56:55) * reasons why developers would not use upstream repo directly and rather use Fedora's playground is because they might want the additional level of review that Fedora provides + they would get precompiled C-extension packages (hhorak, 14:04:34) * SCLs, building above them and their position in Fedora/EPEL (hhorak, 14:14:45) * ACTION: mmaslano will figure out how OpenShift is using SCL in their images (mmaslano, 14:26:37) * SCL packaging doesn't have to be mandatory if you use smart enough wrapper script for setting up environment (hhorak, 14:28:15) * tools to get the shebang line and spec file right for non-SCL python packages depending on SCL might not exist yet (hhorak, 14:28:15) * ACTION: hhorak will be chairman for the next meeting (hhorak, 14:32:45) Meeting ended at 14:32:45 UTC. Action Items ------------ * everbody should find out more about koschei; if everyone likes it, we can vote on some sort of formal recommendation next time * bkabrda will request an instance in Fedora cloud to start playing around with devpi * ncoghlan will do a write-up after we experiment a bit with bkabrda's devpi instance * mmaslano will figure out how OpenShift is using SCL in their images * hhorak will be chairman for the next meeting Action Items, by person ----------------------- * bkabrda * bkabrda will request an instance in Fedora cloud to start playing around with devpi * ncoghlan will do a write-up after we experiment a bit with bkabrda's devpi instance * hhorak * hhorak will be chairman for the next meeting * mmaslano * mmaslano will figure out how OpenShift is using SCL in their images * ncoghlan * ncoghlan will do a write-up after we experiment a bit with bkabrda's devpi instance * **UNASSIGNED** * everbody should find out more about koschei; if everyone likes it, we can vote on some sort of formal recommendation next time People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * ncoghlan (95) * hhorak (55) * bkabrda (45) * juhp_ (35) * mmaslano (32) * zodbot (3) * kushal (1) * samkottler (0) * sicampbell (0) * vpavlin (0) * tjanez (0) * juhp (0) * pkovar (0) Generated by `MeetBot`_ 0.1.4 .. _`MeetBot`: http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
