=================================== #fedora-meeting: FESCO (2014-07-30) =================================== Meeting started by nirik at 17:01:29 UTC. The full logs are available at http://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2014-07-30/fesco.2014-07-30-17.01.log.html . Meeting summary --------------- * init process (nirik, 17:01:29) * no meeting next week, see 'meet your fesco' at flock. (nirik, 17:07:47) * #1322 F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze (nirik, 17:10:57) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322 (nirik, 17:10:57) * #1326 change to fesco replacement process? (nirik, 17:12:41) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1326 (nirik, 17:12:41) * LINK: http://flock2014.sched.org/event/9d2f47d741d92f1ddf559bb918dcb2d1 (nirik, 17:14:31) * will defer this until after flock. (nirik, 17:18:04) * #1327 Process whenisgood results (nirik, 17:18:10) * LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1327 (nirik, 17:18:11) * AGREED: keep current time (+5,0,0) (nirik, 17:27:59) * Week after next's chair (nirik, 17:28:23) * mitr to chair aug 13th meeting (nirik, 17:31:22) * Open Floor (nirik, 17:31:25) Meeting ended at 17:39:36 UTC. Action Items ------------ Action Items, by person ----------------------- * **UNASSIGNED** * (none) People Present (lines said) --------------------------- * nirik (66) * sgallagh (25) * mattdm (22) * mitr (19) * zodbot (8) * jwb (8) * abadger1999 (1) * mmaslano (0) * t8m (0) * kalev (0) * thozza (0) * dgilmore (0) -- 17:01:29 <nirik> #startmeeting FESCO (2014-07-30) 17:01:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 30 17:01:29 2014 UTC. The chair is nirik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:01:29 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:01:29 <nirik> #meetingname fesco 17:01:29 <nirik> #chair dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh t8m thozza 17:01:29 <nirik> #topic init process 17:01:29 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco' 17:01:29 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore jwb kalev mattdm mitr mmaslano nirik sgallagh t8m thozza 17:01:58 <sgallagh> .hellomynameis sgallagh 17:01:59 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> 17:02:10 <mitr> Hello 17:03:13 <nirik> ok, thats 3. :) We may not have quorum today 17:04:06 <mattdm> i'm here.. sorry 17:04:16 <mattdm> that doesn't quite make quorum though :) 17:04:26 <mattdm> plus I have to leave in 40 minutes. 17:05:19 <nirik> alright. 17:05:54 <nirik> I assume we will not be meeting next week as thats flock time. 17:06:15 <sgallagh> Is all of FESCo going to be on-site? 17:07:11 <nirik> not sure. 17:07:19 <nirik> possibly 17:07:47 <nirik> #info no meeting next week, see 'meet your fesco' at flock. 17:08:58 * mattdm nods 17:09:58 <nirik> ok, I guess no quorum... 17:10:17 <nirik> continue in tickets and at flock and we will meet the week after. 17:10:28 <jwb> here, sorry 17:10:38 <nirik> oh hey. :) 17:10:50 <nirik> thats quorum then for now. ;) 17:10:57 <nirik> #topic #1322 F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze 17:10:57 <nirik> .fesco 1322 17:10:57 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322 17:10:59 <zodbot> nirik: #1322 (F21 Changes - Progress on Changes Freeze) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1322 17:11:18 <nirik> any changes of concern? 17:11:35 <nirik> Hopefully they will use the extra time... 17:11:42 <jwb> at the moment, no 17:12:03 <mattdm> yes, the extra time really helps for atomic in particular 17:12:11 <mattdm> and sgallagh was mentioning also for the server api 17:12:17 * nirik nods 17:12:41 <nirik> #topic #1326 change to fesco replacement process? 17:12:41 <nirik> .fesco 1326 17:12:41 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1326 17:12:43 <zodbot> nirik: #1326 (change to fesco replacement process?) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1326 17:12:44 <sgallagh> Yeah, we're a little behind schedule, but I think the slip has us covered 17:13:00 <sgallagh> Motion: discuss this at Meet Your FESCo, live. 17:13:01 <nirik> so there's been a lot of discussion on ticket. 17:13:37 <nirik> Also, it may be very on topic in the governance workshop 17:13:49 <sgallagh> That too 17:13:55 <sgallagh> cwickert is running the latter one, right? 17:13:57 <mattdm> yes, absolutely. 17:14:01 <mitr> sgallagh: live, yes; taking time from audience questions in that session, I’d rather not 17:14:03 <mattdm> and abadger1999 17:14:31 <nirik> http://flock2014.sched.org/event/9d2f47d741d92f1ddf559bb918dcb2d1 17:14:58 <abadger1999> number80 and I ... is cwickert involved in the same one or a parallel session? 17:15:10 * sgallagh looks 17:15:36 <sgallagh> I think I had that confused with the "Fate of Spins" session 17:16:46 <nirik> Anyhow, I don't know that we have reached a conclusion in this ticket, so I would be happy to defer it until after flock and see what we can work out there. 17:16:59 <sgallagh> +1 17:17:02 <jwb> sure 17:17:20 <nirik> any objections? 17:17:30 <mitr> nirik: +1 to deferring 17:18:04 <nirik> #info will defer this until after flock. 17:18:10 <nirik> #topic #1327 Process whenisgood results 17:18:10 <nirik> .fesco 1327 17:18:11 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1327 17:18:12 <zodbot> nirik: #1327 (Process whenisgood results) – FESCo - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/1327 17:18:30 <nirik> and the survey says: 17:18:34 <nirik> no time is good for everyone. ;) 17:18:50 <sgallagh> The current time appears closest 17:19:18 <mitr> The current time is actually attended by the person who says he can’t do it :) 17:19:50 <mattdm> mitr I noticed that too. 17:20:13 <nirik> ok then... sounds like we just keep this time then? or ask everyone to update as much as they can? 17:20:15 <jwb> who was that? 17:20:19 <sgallagh> jwb: t8m 17:20:20 <mattdm> jwb: t8m 17:20:25 <mattdm> jinx 17:20:39 * sgallagh hands over a Pepsi 17:21:24 <mattdm> (It'd be nice if the whenisgood app allowed "inconvenient but i can do it" and "best time" votes. 17:21:30 <nirik> yeah. 17:23:07 <sgallagh> mattdm: GSoC project for next summer: Better WhenIsGood 17:23:12 <mattdm> heh. 17:23:17 * sgallagh wasn't kidding 17:23:27 <nirik> actually there is a open source nicer one. 17:23:34 <nirik> but then we would have to run it. 17:23:37 <jwb> hi weeds! 17:23:41 <sgallagh> nirik: OpenShift? 17:23:41 <nirik> :) 17:23:48 <mattdm> jwb yeah. moving on? :) 17:23:57 <nirik> proposal: keep current time 17:24:03 <jwb> sure 17:24:05 <sgallagh> nirik: Point me at it, I'll host it on the fedoraserver openshift account 17:24:10 <mitr> Since we have basically 2 options, 17:24:13 <mitr> proposal: keep current time; if t8m and kalev negotiate that the Tuesday one would be better, they can ask for a change. 17:24:13 <mattdm> can someone ask t8m if the current time really doesn't work due to a schedule change? 17:24:23 <mattdm> mitr +1 17:24:29 <nirik> sgallagh: can't find it now, but will let you know if I do 17:24:34 <mitr> nirik: +1 17:24:37 <sgallagh> nirik: Seems like the best choice. Either this or Tuesday at the same time and lose Kalev 17:25:41 <mitr> mattdm: t8m will be at Flock 17:25:42 * nirik is ok with mitr s too 17:25:59 <mitr> They are equivalent anyway :) 17:26:18 <mattdm> mitr true :) 17:26:32 <sgallagh> mitr: +1 17:27:59 <nirik> #agreed keep current time (+5,0,0) 17:28:06 <nirik> (assuming jwb's sure was a +1) 17:28:11 <jwb> yes, sorry 17:28:23 <nirik> #topic Week after next's chair 17:28:32 <nirik> who wants the next chair? 17:28:48 <mattdm> this is for the week _after_ next, right? 17:29:13 <mattdm> I will be travelling back from post-flock meetings in brno 17:29:18 <nirik> right 17:29:28 <nirik> the 13th 17:29:38 <sgallagh> Same, I will be in transit that day 17:31:02 <nirik> I'll be back, but I was chair today. ;) 17:31:06 <nirik> I guess I can next time too. 17:31:08 <mitr> *shrug* I can do it 17:31:14 <nirik> cool. thanks mitr 17:31:22 <nirik> #info mitr to chair aug 13th meeting 17:31:25 <nirik> #topic Open Floor 17:31:30 <nirik> any items for open floor? 17:32:23 <mitr> There was a request to discuss https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1118907 17:33:18 <jwb> i read that over, but i would need more time to decide anything there 17:33:21 <nirik> yeah, I glanced at it but haven't had time to look into it much 17:33:43 <mattdm> I'm tentatively +1 to colin's approach but would like to hear if there's a practical reason to enable it now 17:33:45 <sgallagh> My impression is that this is way too invasive to land during what should already be Alpha 17:33:47 <mitr> Similar here 17:34:35 <mitr> A lets-not-think-about-this fallback is saying that https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:UsersAndGroups still applies and systemd should comply, and the new mechanism should go through FPC for F22 (which it should anyway) 17:35:06 <nirik> lets defer? I see sgallagh asked walters to file a fesco ticket on it too. 17:35:27 <mattdm> +1 wait. 17:35:27 <mitr> but the right thing to do is to file a ticket, discuss more, and defer -- unless this were time-sensitive 17:35:38 * nirik nods. 17:35:52 <sgallagh> It's probably time-sensitive 17:36:03 <sgallagh> It sounds like the systemd guys enabled this in F21 and it's breaking things 17:36:14 <sgallagh> We likely don't want to fix the breakage this close to Alpha 17:36:40 * mattdm has to go. see you all in cz! 17:36:43 <mitr> The next FESCo meeting is 1 day after the Alpha deadline; we _could_ handle this in a ticket but I wouldn’t bet on it. 17:37:00 * nirik looks at the bug again. 17:37:05 <nirik> safe travels mattdm 17:37:22 <mitr> sgallagh: OTOH systemd is the only user, so the fallout is Alpha testing one component being done slightly differently, which is perhaps not that much of a deal. 17:37:57 <mitr> sgallagh: And, it _has_ broken things but wasn't that already fixed? 17:38:11 <mitr> Anyway, without mattdm we are out of quorum so deferring by default. 17:38:11 <nirik> I guess it's implied that it broke atomic? 17:38:18 <nirik> (since walters was trying to disable it) 17:38:28 <nirik> should ask for more info. yeah. 17:38:41 <nirik> ok, any other items before we close out? 17:38:57 <sgallagh> I generally vote to stay conservative this late in a cycle. 17:39:09 <sgallagh> We're under quorum, so no :) 17:39:11 <mitr> I’ll just go ahead and file the ticket 17:39:16 <nirik> aalright. 17:39:33 <nirik> Thanks for coming everyone. See (many/most/all) of you at flock next week! 17:39:36 <nirik> #endmeeting
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