So, who needed log4j2? It is massively incompatible with log4j1.2 and
isn't a simple port job. I would argue if log4j2 was actually needed,
it should have been introduced as a separate log4j2 package and allow
projects to port to it as they have time/need. This update log4j to an
incompatible version with no compat package provided at the same time is
not the way to handle such an upgrade. Giving advanced notice that the
world will come crumbling down and you'll have to deal with it is not
enough.
Rob
On 05/21/2014 02:01 PM, Aleksandar Kurtakov wrote:
Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team
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From: "Robert Rati" <rrati@xxxxxxxxxx>
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Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2014 7:03:42 PM
Subject: Hadoop + log4j2 = fullstop
I've been working on updating the hadoop package to the latest 2.4.0
release and at this point I've resolved all the issues but I'm now
blocked by the log4j2 update. log4j2 breaks the hadoop build pretty
severely, and it doesn't seem the log4j2 team has spent much time
thinking about how to provide backwards compatibility to existing
log4j1.2 users. From my investigation of log4j2:
log4j.properties file is no longer read at all
configuration file is now in XML or JSON
configuration file name is log4j2.[xml|json|jsn]
V2 isn't backwards compatible with V1. There's a shim for v1 api but it
will only work for a limited set of cases, and for some cases it does
work for it turns some operations into noop calls.
This is a pretty major change and even the compatibility layer, if it
will work for a project, does not seem to guarantee like functionality
and minimally will require a re-do of all log4j configuration files a
project ships. I'm not sure many sizable upstream projects would
undertake/accept such a drastic change very quickly.
The list of projects currently blocked by this update are:
hadoop
hbase
oozie
hive
apache-log4j-extras
amplab-tachyon
I would be surprised if there aren't a lot more. I understand Fedora is
always pushing for the latest versions, but for some fundamental
packages can there be compatibility packages introduced at the same time
as an incompatible update?
Nothing stops compatibility packages from appearing. But it's the people that need it that have to drive it. Everyone is time constrained so whoever needs something must do it.
It's really is as simple as that.
Alexander Kurtakov
Red Hat Eclipse team
Package maintainers of dependent packages
will still need to touch their packages and determine if the new version
will work for them. Providing a compat package will also allow packages
to update to their newer versions while not held up on trying to
integrate changes from a compatibility breaking dependency update.
Rob
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