-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 04/21/2014 04:35 PM, Josh Boyer wrote: > On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 11:02 AM, inode0 <inode0@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 21, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Stephen Gallagher >> <sgallagh@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Lately, I've been thinking a lot about Fedora's Foundations: >>> "Freedom, Friends, Features, First", particularly in relation >>> to some very sticky questions about where certain things fit >>> (such as third-party repositories, free and non-free web >>> services, etc.) >> >> Sure but also understand that no matter what precise words are >> written down on a piece of paper at a given point in time they >> will suffer from sticky questions over time as the world we fit >> into changes. > > This is a good insight. > > I think the problem I have with this well-intentioned thread is > that it's a broad reaction to a specific issue we're trying to sort > out right now. Webapps aren't new, the fact that a large portion > of them aren't FOSS isn't new, and their usage in and > interoperability with Fedora is not new. The "new" item here is > displaying them as options in the software center. > > I think it's a fair question to address whether or not displaying > non-Free web applications in the software center (or other similar > applications) is within our Foundations. I don't think we need to > add an entirely new Foundation or significantly reword the existing > ones in order to answer that question. A statement from the Board > on this seems perfectly reasonable. > Well, the current Board discussion (and the one prior to it regarding third-party repos) certainly catalyzed this discussion, but I still think it's one that's worth having every few years. Ultimately, I don't think we as a group have consensus about what exactly the best interpretation of our Foundations are in terms of how they further our Mission. To boil it down: Is the Freedom Foundation too strict? (Alternately, are we reading it too strictly?) In other words, is our hard-line on only displaying FOSS solutions ultimately accomplishing our Mission to advance FOSS? I argue that it is not, because it artificially limits our audience to the set of people who are *already* working on FOSS. I think that relaxing our stance a /little/ could lead to a wider contributor base, providing a greater benefit to the FOSS community than absolute purity. Josh, please don't see this as a means to bypass the Board decisions. I am not intending this as an end-run, but more as a way to put up the weathervane on wider community opinion. Historically, we've not really had elections tied to a particular stance on these issues, so it's hard to know for certain if we've really got a representative voice on any of the committees (Board, FESCo, FPC) or if we've ended up with an oligarchy where the people who send the most emails to the lists get elected. (I suspect we're leaning towards the latter, and of course there's something to be said for putting the most involved people in charge). But any good leader knows to occasionally make a reality check[1] and make sure that we're actually aligned with what people want. [1] I often critically fail my saving throw there... -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlNVhBEACgkQeiVVYja6o6PfDACfU+PW7Q8DqI0lonzxZUH0XqGI PI4AoJbSn+jilnnrpH46vinXlWguUkUS =35MF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
