Am 25.01.2014 22:05, schrieb Haïkel Guémar: > Le 25/01/2014 21:38, Reindl Harald a écrit : >> first: >> >> be sure after the style of replies like yours i will >> hestitate try to make compilemts again in the public >> because the aggresive way you react leads nowhere else >> then flamewars > > I'd rather have you stop starting or feeding flamewars as you actively did this month than > these kind of "compliments" "as you actively did this month" - where? >> wow - even if someone makes a compliment it is taken rude - impressive >> >> the difference shortly before a new RHEL release is that the timeframe >> is *much* more important for the RH folks than some random release >> >> accept it or not - you can't change the facts - period > > You implied (and still imply) that most of the work is done by RH, belittling the > volunteer contributors *no i did not* you only read it like that > Off course, Red Hat is an important stakeholder in Fedora, but they acknowledge that they're not > the ones driving the project it's the community yes, but they pay people to dedicate their full time and if that people are doing bug-triage and only bug-triage for relevant components they find more than a person working at free time for Fedora can do not to belittle anybody simply the fact a day has only 24 hours > That's why we dropped along the "Core/extras" distinctions, that's why the effective technical leadership is > handled by the Fesco (a true community body) and that's why we're still > sponsored by Red Hat. > > But let's say that it was a naive statement from you no, you only took it as abuse because you wanted to do so > Remember that Fesco actually delayed systemd inclusion by one release for very same reason: > "not to rush things". > At that time, it worked perfectly fine and we could have included it. one release too early, 100% for sure systemd and oterh services working with it in F16 was somehow OK the release state of F15 was completly unacceptable for anybody outside the "my personal computer" area > One funny thing is that without a community contributor (i mean JBG), the transition to systemd > would have been much longer. No needs to wear a Red Hat to have an impact in Fedora. again: my intention was *not* to belittle anybody > So you wanted to compliment the community, why did you felt the need to end it by an > unrelated statement about systemd? because it *has* serious regressions in F20 which are acceptable on a desktop, otehrwise i would not have written a mail woth the subject "general compliment for F19/F20" but hey are a problem on a server sorry that i am one of them driving a lot of servers with Fedora and care baout > Do you honestly think that if we continued with upstart and crappy sysV init scripts, > we would have had less issues or less critical issues ? where did i say that? i only honestly know if MySQL and some other services would have been migrated to systemd in the first release replace upstart i would not felt that often tempted to throw all the IT out of the next windows and with F16 that things where *mostly* fine while some services are still not converted or at least where not a few months ago :-)
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