On Sun, 2004-11-14 at 20:38 +0800, Jeff Pitman wrote: > > I'm still leaning towards Felix's minit as a potential alternative: > http://www.fefe.de/minit/minit-linux-kongress2004.pdf Keep in mind the requirements of GUI: dynamic monitoring and control of what's happening, including reliable propagation of errors in machine- readable form (i.e. not stderr/syslog) Slide 19 ("How do I know which services are running?") in the minit deck gave me some "nobody has thought about how this works with a UI" sense ;-) so there might be some work left there. UI could be everything from graphical boot progress meter, to an admin start/stop services tool, to some part of the desktop with no visible initscripts relationship but underneath it happens to need to manipulate a service. See also David's post on fedora-desktop yesterday about getting to the login prompt more quickly. Havoc