On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 18:37 +0100, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le Jeu 16 janvier 2014 18:13, Adam Williamson a écrit : > > On Thu, 2014-01-16 at 10:52 -0500, Matthias Clasen wrote: > >> On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 22:31 -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: > >> > On Wed, 2014-01-15 at 22:59 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > >> > > >> > > * Another individual thought that all web authors are stupid for > >> > > wanting to use fancy fonts and that I am wasting my time. (He might > >> > > be right about that last bit... :-P) > >> > > >> > While we're doing asides, that one *does* get right on my nerves. > >> > > >> > If anyone overrides font choices in their browser config and wonders > >> why > >> > an increasing number of sites - inc. github, and the wordpress admin > >> > interface - seem to display weird hieroglyphs all over the place, it's > >> > because of this "clever trick": web designers have decided that it's a > >> > really good idea to abuse font rendering engines as a way to render > >> > icons, and starting shipping icons as made-up Unicode codepoints in > >> > their sites' custom fonts. If you override their font choice, then of > >> > course these icons wind up as garbage, because your font does not have > >> > them, because ICONS AREN'T FUCKING TEXT CHARACTERS, web designers. > >> > >> It makes a lot of sense, actually. At least the symbolic icons that have > >> become prevalent in our uis share a lot of characteristics with text, > >> and can benefit from getting the same treatment as glyphs. > > > > Then get the Unicode people sign off on treating your special special > > characters as text, otherwise it's just an abuse of the system. > > And, actually, Microsoft did exactly that : its special UI symbols (in > Segoe UI) have all standard codepoints @unicode.org, you can use the > Microsoft font with other apps and you can make apps written around the > Microsoft font work with FLOSS fonts that implement those codepoints. Like I said I don't really mind much if it's done that way, but even that approach has a problem: why would I expect rendering of what to me are icons to change when I change my font? It's nowhere near as annoying as the 'non-standard icons show as incomprehensible hieroglyphics' incarnation of the problem, but it's still clearly a problem. People understand that fonts render text, and when they change fonts, they expect their text to look different - not their icons. -- Adam Williamson Fedora QA Community Monkey IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net http://www.happyassassin.net -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
