----- Original Message ----- > From: "Václav Pavlín" <vpavlin@xxxxxxxxxx> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Cc: "Bill Nottingham" <notting@xxxxxxxxxx> > Sent: Wednesday, December 11, 2013 12:54:27 PM > Subject: Re: ABRT in the comps group 'standard' > > > On 6.12.2013 10:56, Jakub Filak wrote: > > I'd like to add abrt-cli package to the comps group 'standard'. > > > Regarding the discussion, there are two main concernes about adding > abrt-cli to Standard comps group: > > 1) There will be some notifications popping up which can confuse users. > > Not true. Nothing changes for desktop environments. Package abrt-desktop > is already part of GNOME and Cinnamon comps groups. What we are talking > about here is abrt-cli [1] - command line interface, which will let > users to list, review and report crashes on their systems caught by > abrt. Root is informed about crashes by email, normal users should not > be affected. > > 2) Abrt is sending information by default without opt-in. > > Not true. Abrt only stores crash details localy unless user calls > 'abrt-cli report' command, or enables uReports [2]. > > Abrt actually helps to find and solve problems [3] so we decided to add > abrt-cli to Standard comps group for F21. Sorry for posting more or less a +1 reply. If there is anything I like in Fedora, it is definitely its bug solving and bug reporting features. I currently view the things Fedora can do with core dumps, gdb, debuginfo, stack traces and bug reporting as maybe the only reason a developer would choose Fedora over other distribution for development apart from its very relation to Red Hat. I guess there is more than that, but this is the one I can see during my everyday use. Any improvement to those is great IMO. On the other hand, technical improvements are not everything, and ABRT is a tool that one would like to have at hand all the time when anything gets wrong. Having the CLI always installed sounds like a natural choice to me. Cheers, Pavel > Regards, > Vaclav > > [1] > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora_Draft_Documentation/0.1/html/System_Administrators_Guide/sect-abrt-cli.html > [2] https://github.com/abrt/faf/wiki/uReport > [3] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1036959 > -- > devel mailing list > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel > Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
