On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > Am 22.09.2013 17:36, schrieb drago01: >> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 3:21 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> Am 22.09.2013 02:52, schrieb Ed Greshko: >>>> On 09/22/13 08:39, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>>>> Ed Greshko wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>> I've been having a problem on my Thinkpad T61 for the last 2 days. >>>>>>> In fact since "yum update" installed kernel-PAE-3.11.1-200.fc19.i686, >>>>>>> though that is probably a coincidence. >>>>>> Would it be possible to boot into the previous kernel to verify if it is a >>>>>> coincidence? >>>>> I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do that. >>>>> I'd be happy to try if someone could suggest the way. >>>> >>>> When you boot your system, don't you have a menu to select up to 3 kernels? >>> >>> and that is why i cried on @devel about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as default >> >> Err you know that we do *not* hide the grub menu in F19? > > no - because i do not care about Fedora defaults in many cases for my machines You seem to care enough to write mails about it. >> If anything you have just proven that just because the menu is shown >> people will not automatically know what the options there mean. > > no - it is proven that even if it is there it's hard to understand > hide it does not make this better Showing an option that people do not understand does not solve anything. >> So can you stop "crying about the idea to hide the GRUB menu as(by) >> default" now? > > no, simply because if it is hard to move the cursor down in a > already displayed menu for some users you can be sure that they > never have a chance to learn about the existing older kernel > by hide it You should not have to learn what a kernel is to be able to use your computer. I am pretty sure you disagree here but we should just agree to disagree instead of having a useless "discussion". > if the affected machine is their only one they also have > no chance to ask for help and are lost > > P.S.: > do not give thunderbird a negative karma because some extension > is not updated / rebuilt, file a bugreport for the extension! OT but no. If an update introduces broken deps it should not be pushed until they are resolved. Giving negative karma here is common practice. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct
