On 23 August 2013 14:06, Rich Mattes <richmattes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I agree overall which is why I suggest the official orphaning of community-mysql ... it only seems like it will be a pain to keep both that and MariaDB for the existing maintainers.On Fri, Aug 23, 2013 at 3:40 AM, James Hogarth <james.hogarth@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Frankly I'm still of the opinion the Oracle distribution of the MySQL based server should be dropped entirely... If Oracle want 'community-mysql' to exist for Fedora and want to maintain it themselves then they can set up their own repositories on their own infrastructure and these compatibilities issues with Fedora can be removed entirely as a result.If someone (Oracle-employee or not) is willing to go through the trouble of learning the packaging guidelines, submitting and working through a review, getting sponsored, and getting a package into the distribution, what basis does anyone have to block that effort? We have packaging guidelines for inter-package conflicts, and those issues must be resolved as part of the package review anyway. The idea that we can single out an organization or a software package and say "You can't put this in Fedora," in spite of the fact that the package in question can made to abide by all of Fedora's guidelines and policies (albeit with a little bit of work and collaboration,) seems contradict the "Friends" and "Features" foundations.
If what they're doing becomes actively harmful to the distribution, then we can take it up with FESCo. Otherwise, I think we have to treat them like any other community member regardless of our feelings about their employer.
If another party (whether it be corporate sponsorship via Oracle or a random individual) wants to pick up the pain of community-mysql packaging adhering to the Fedora Packaging Guidelines then good for them but the reasons for switching to MariaDB in the beginning during the F19 release was down to lack of transparency (eg test cases and security notices) from upstream...
From the first date Honza announced the intended feature we heard a lot of promises from Oracle about how they would act with stewardship but words are cheap - so far in all this time there's been little of any actual substance.
After many weeks (two or three months maybe?) of waiting Bjorn announced himself as the maintainer of MySQL without apparently any communication with the existing maintainers first - at least Honza stated "I'm really glad to see some real action from your part finally"
If they do manage to comply with FPG and have a proper RPM and act the part of "Friends" (as the reminder had to go last time) then fantastic... but there really has been little if any evidence of that so far - all the way since the Sun purchase in fact.
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