-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 FINALLY! there was someone who hated release names as much, if not more than I. I say we forgo a release name on f20, as well. M On 08/22/2013 07:29 PM, devel-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote: > Send devel mailing list submissions to > devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel or, via > email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > devel-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > You can reach the person managing the list at > devel-owner@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > specific than "Re: Contents of devel digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: F20 release name election? (Dan Mashal) 2. Re: F21 schedule: > what would you do with more time? (Chris Murphy) 3. Re: F20 release > name election? (Josh Boyer) 4. Re: F19 server install experience > (Chris Murphy) 5. Re: F21 schedule: what would you do with more > time? (Adam Williamson) 6. Re: F20 release name election? (Chris > Murphy) 7. Re: F19 server install experience (Adam Williamson) 8. > Re: F19 server install experience (Chris Murphy) 9. Re: F20 release > name election? (Dan Mashal) 10. Re: Bundled Flash (Adam > Williamson) 11. Re: F19 server install experience (Adam > Williamson) 12. Re: F20 release name election? (Billy Crook) 13. > Re: F20 release name election? (Chris Murphy) 14. Re: F20 release > name election? (Paul Wouters) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:05:57 -0700 From: Dan Mashal > <dan.mashal@xxxxxxxxx> To: Development discussions related to > Fedora <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: F20 release > name election? Message-ID: > <CALJqFwoUPEcJYdim=QjU-p6QQFr=Au8vJArebEywdGjo3TEgww@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Chris Murphy > <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> *smack own forehead* I like that better than the other options >> also. For me, one extra point for Vidalia onion over "20". >> >> Heck I like "Crazy Train" based on a recent Matthew Miller >> assertion. >> >> Assuming there can be no late add ins though, the overwhelmingly >> obvious correct answer is Heisenbug. I attract more Heisenbugs >> than anyone I know. It's funny. It's true, they totally exist. >> And (sorry!) all the other options are snoozers. Now, had it been >> "Santa's reindeer" that might have made it a *little* less >> obvious, what the correct answer is. > > > How about no release name, just this one time. In his honor? I > love release names, and while I didn't know Seth very well > personally, probably the main reason I use Fedora/RHEL/CentOS is > because of yum. He deserves the honor in my opinion. The choices up > there are lame. > > If i I had to choose I guess I'd vote for Santa Claus but this is > ridiculous. > > With all due respect can someone please explain to me how this > release is "dedicated" to Mr. Vidal? > > Dan > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:11:16 -0600 From: Chris Murphy > <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Development discussions related to > Fedora <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: F21 schedule: > what would you do with more time? Message-ID: > <CB4F8822-2A1A-4093-86E2-030749E2F214@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >> >> QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent >> iteration treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting the >> time we have to work on anything else. We can only really get >> substantive work done on 'things that are not release validation' >> in the ~two months (on a regular cycle) between FNN Go and FNN+1 >> Alpha TC1. > > > I'm going to take a wild guess here, QA could probably use a month > of going into a black hole for starters, as in, en vacaciones, no > me contacte. So in reality, that probably translates into maybe a > four day weekend. But how much time do you think QA needs for > "things other than release validation"? So far the push back range > is a wee bit broad, 2 weeks to six months. > > If it needs to be six months, fine. But there's also a risk of > losing a lot of momentum with a six month hiatus. That's why I > arbitrarily came up with 3 months on the high end. There are still > positives to the Fedora pressure cooker (ANOTHER RELEASE NAME > IDEA!), a.k.a. crazy train. > > > Chris Murphy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 20:12:10 -0400 From: Josh Boyer > <jwboyer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Development discussions related to > Fedora <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: F20 release > name election? Message-ID: > <CA+5PVA4dSTdHXx0+VLiTxagYkb6LK_dcocMpSXu3bHa_W3OdFA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 8:05 PM, Dan Mashal <dan.mashal@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Chris Murphy >> <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> *smack own forehead* I like that better than the other options >>> also. For me, one extra point for Vidalia onion over "20". >>> >>> Heck I like "Crazy Train" based on a recent Matthew Miller >>> assertion. >>> >>> Assuming there can be no late add ins though, the >>> overwhelmingly obvious correct answer is Heisenbug. I attract >>> more Heisenbugs than anyone I know. It's funny. It's true, they >>> totally exist. And (sorry!) all the other options are snoozers. >>> Now, had it been "Santa's reindeer" that might have made it a >>> *little* less obvious, what the correct answer is. >> >> >> How about no release name, just this one time. In his honor? I >> love release names, and while I didn't know Seth very well >> personally, probably the main reason I use Fedora/RHEL/CentOS is >> because of yum. He deserves the honor in my opinion. The choices >> up there are lame. > > The choices are what the community came up with. At this point, > that is what we have to chose from. > >> If i I had to choose I guess I'd vote for Santa Claus but this is >> ridiculous. > > I'm not necessarily disagreeing, but there are essentially two > camps right now. Those that don't care about release names one bit > (like me), and those that do. If those that do care want better > names, they'll need to work harder at creating meaningful > suggestions. > > The Board has an open ticket on the naming process. We're working > through it now, but "no release names" isn't an immediate option > because the last time we proposed that the community vote showed > names were still desired. Hopefully we'll resolve the ticket > shortly and explain how naming needs to work in the future. > >> With all due respect can someone please explain to me how this >> release is "dedicated" to Mr. Vidal? > > It will be dedicated in the release announcement. Perhaps someone > might add something to the download page on the website as well. > > josh > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 18:16:43 -0600 From: Chris Murphy > <lists@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: Development discussions related to > Fedora <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: F19 server > install experience Message-ID: > <E7142298-1A83-45D4-8F4A-36569BD8C991@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > On Aug 22, 2013, at 5:54 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: >> On Sat, 2013-08-17 at 11:57 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>> On 08/17/2013 12:28 AM, Adam Williamson wrote: >> >> Yeah, I've seen that kind of thing in some of my tests. A lot of >> my live installs wind up with New York as the timezone, IIRC. > > I'm spacing out which has which behavior, but Live vs Netinst > consistently produce different results for me for geoip/timezone > selection. One always works (Denver), the other never works (New > York). Always the same IP. > > >>> >>>>> One odd thing I noticed while cycling through the consoles >>>>> was that console 6 had a login prompt on it. I didn't >>>>> actually try logging in. >>>>> >>> Any thoughts on this one? It was rather surprising to find a >>> login prompt during the installing process. >> >> IIRC it's been there for a while, I'm not entirely sure of its >> purpose. More a question for anaconda team I think. > > Oh I use that all the time for top, or taring and scping anaconda > logs from tmp. > > > Chris Murphy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 17:22:49 -0700 From: Adam > Williamson <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> To: Development discussions > related to Fedora <devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: F21 > schedule: what would you do with more time? Message-ID: > <1377217369.10145.1.camel@adam> Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="UTF-8" > > On Thu, 2013-08-22 at 18:11 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Aug 22, 2013, at 3:03 PM, Adam Williamson >> <awilliam@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote: >>> >>> QA, releng and anaconda are on a more or less permanent >>> iteration treadmill from Alpha TC1 onwards, severely limiting >>> the time we have to work on anything else. We can only really >>> get substantive work done on 'things that are not release >>> validation' in the ~two months (on a regular cycle) between FNN >>> Go and FNN+1 Alpha TC1. >> >> >> I'm going to take a wild guess here, QA could probably use a >> month of going into a black hole for starters, as in, en >> vacaciones, no me contacte. So in reality, that probably >> translates into maybe a four day weekend. But how much time do >> you think QA needs for "things other than release validation"? So >> far the push back range is a wee bit broad, 2 weeks to six >> months. >> >> If it needs to be six months, fine. But there's also a risk of >> losing a lot of momentum with a six month hiatus. That's why I >> arbitrarily came up with 3 months on the high end. There are >> still positives to the Fedora pressure cooker (ANOTHER RELEASE >> NAME IDEA!), a.k.a. crazy train. > > The more time we have, the more stuff we can do. We have a list of > things we'd like to have that could fill a couple of years of work > easy, most likely. > > I was thinking three months was not arbitrary, but 'the right > amount of time to get back into sync with GNOME', which was one of > the aims of our six month cycle prior to F18. If we're going to do > a 'hiatus', it would seem sensible to use it to get back into a > cycle which works nicely with the GNOME dev cycle. (No, I am not > going to use the word 'cadence' at any point in this mail. 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