-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 07/30/2013 05:57 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > Fix problems where they are, don't work around them. I think this is the crux of our disconnect here, Lennart. I appreciate that your goal is to have a perfect solution in all projects from the kernel to the cloud. I respect that and laud it. However, perfect solutions are impractical here. We cannot reasonably approach a problem that our users are having *right now* by saying "we'll fix a half-dozen packages (some of them with hostile upstreams) over the course of the next 18 months". That's unacceptable to our users. What we need to do is come up with a solution that works *for now*, ideally with technology that we already have, so that we can get our users back up and running in an acceptable manner. I agree that we should be looking at better, more supportable long-term solutions, but right now this discussion is turning into worrying about how big a garden to plant in the backyard while the house is on fire. It is answering some very valid questions while at the same time completely missing the main points. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlH4XxcACgkQeiVVYja6o6OYtACfaK2KyBv4GUZ37X3tkJ2dVg7f /WEAnjbdkoZeHtf9n808PgYh7Do6O2vW =7oU/ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct