Hi, On Friday 26 July 2013 08:06:10 drago01 wrote: > Well it is a desktop spin after all. Most of the "keep sendmail and > syslog" arguments where more server related things. Definitely not. On our desktop installs we clearly have an interactive user which is defined during install/firstboot/etc. This audience is rarely expected to use the command line shell, and even less so looking at logs (with all journal advantage, running journalctl or tail -f /var/log/messages have the same problem -- the user). On the other hand, aliasing root to the installing user in /etc/aliases is trivial and adding the local spool mailbox as a default to MUA's would make these mails *visible by default* to that user. Please note that both steps mentioned are an improvement in default user-experience of Fedora, even if later it's decided that installation of MTA *isn't a default*. (less people some system outputs are "lost" [tongue in the cheek]) Bye, -- Oron Peled Voice: +972-4-8228492 oron@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://users.actcom.co.il/~oron ... It's like a Windows.. litle blow and it crashes... (c)Broker -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct