Bastien Nocera (bnocera@xxxxxxxxxx) said: > Given the amount of time that he spent on the mailing-list fighting for > those features, then it looks like a waste of time, that work has been > done. And? (Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you're saying here.) I mean, it's part of working in a community or company or any larger environment where you don't control all the bits. Sometimes you can't convince people of something. Sometimes you write a 20-patch series to add a feature and upstream decides to go a different way. Sometimes someone doesn't like your pie menus. Is that time wasted? It certainly can be frustrating, and dealing with policies and procedures can be a pain. But it's about the priorities... if all a Fedora contributor cares about is something existing upstream and they don't care what Fedora, RHEL, CentOS, or other downstream distributions do with it, then, sure, I suppose they can just withdraw and concentrate on upstream (or Ubuntu, or Arch, or some other distro). But if they have a vested interest in Fedora, RHEL, CentOS and other downstreams using some bit of technology, if they have a vested interest in getting their code and ideas out to that userbase... participate. Convince. Collaborate. To do otherwise, and just assume someone else will do that for them, seems foolish to me. Bill -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct