Heya! When systemd was first adopted by Fedora a requirement mandated by FESCO (or was it FPC?) was that the script "systemd-sysv-convert" (which I wrote) should be added which is supposed to save the old runlevel configuration of sysv scripts before we replace them with systemd units. Now we are starting work on F20, I do wonder if we can get rid of this thing? The script is currently part of the systemd source package (but installed in its own systemd-sysv package), and the packaging guidelines suggest making use of this script in all RPMs that are converted, also adding a requires(post) dependency on systemd-sysv to those: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:ScriptletSnippets#Packages_migrating_to_a_systemd_unit_file_from_a_SysV_initscript I'd really like to get rid of this thing (I thought it was a bad idea from day 1 when we added it). I have the strong suspicion that nobody ever made use of this functionality (how I know that? since runlevels don't map that easily to systemd targets the job it does is not very good but we nonetheless never got a single bug report about it...). I figure next to zero of our users even knew about its existence... What I really hate about the script is that it indirectly adds a Python dependency to all packages making use of it. This really sucks for minimal container setups where you really don't want Python to be pulled in just for this reason. This then results in bugs like this one: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=976346 Anyway, I think it's a bad idea to have this, it has more drawbacks then benefits, it is pretty much unused, and the majority of packages are converted since a while anyway. So, anyone still insists on keeping this around? If not I will file a bug against FPC to drop any mention of the tool and remove it from the systemd RPMs, and everything will get smaller and simpler and unicorns and butterflies will reign! (If don't get many replies to this mail, then I'd be a really happy man, since for me that'd kinda be proof that really nobody cares about this tool...) Thanks, Lennart -- Lennart Poettering - Red Hat, Inc. -- devel mailing list devel@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/devel
